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I agree with some of your criticism, but also criticize how you have thrown out some off-the-cuff beliefs that I would suggest are not true or irrelevant (not a
by marzell 8y ago
I agree with some of your criticism, but also criticize how you have thrown out some off-the-cuff beliefs that I would suggest are not true or irrelevant (not all of them though) and wish I could help participate in further research and collaborative analysis.
For instance, you have pointed out several things that are "bad", but haven't necessarily changed or are better overall than they have ever been (hate for meaningless jobs, parental leave, working too much) but you are sometimes comparing current US against other countries, not looking at the fact that these are still on generally positive trends historically.
Some things that might be less-or-irrelevant include:
-Inequality: Yes this is true, but the poorest people are better off and there are fewer of them than there have been historically. Many people considered poor these days have cell phones, can afford nutritious meals (even if they don't eat them) and have access to welfare and disability that wasn't available 100 years ago.
-Leisure time: On average, people are spending 20+ less hours a week working than they did 100 years ago, and spend far less time doing household chores.
While there is certainly cause for concern and much more progress to be made, overall things are on a positive trend, and most of your arguments only compare against other countries at the current time -- I don't get a sense that this is a major cause of suicide increases.
I also would like to learn more about how the statistics were derived. Are they using the same definition of suicide? Are there other factors? For instance, if someone overdoses on opiates and dies from it, is that considered suicide according to these statistics?
I'm not flat-out disagreeing with you, but rather I would like to better understand which factors are most influential and also what exactly it is they are reporting -- the source material didn't seem to specify whether they were reporting % increases as an absolute number or number of suicides per 100k people, etc.
Steven Pinker's newest book, Enlightenment Now, touches on this topic, and explores statistics and some considerations for what may or may not be influential factors for recent trends in suicide, as well as pretty much every bullet point you provided.
- JDiculous 8y agoThis article is talking about suicides being up 25% from 1999 until now, not 100 years ago. Inequality certainly plays a role in happiness, whether rational or not. Inequality in the U.S. has been on the uptrend. Sure welfare didn't exist 100 years ago, but 22 years ago welfare was reformed to put time limits and require work eligibility. Certainly not what I would consider an uptrend from then.
- darpa_escapee 8y ago> Yes this is true, but the poorest people are better off and there are fewer of them than there have been historically Better off than when? A decade ago? Two, three, or four decades ago? Poverty wages have stagnated for almost half of a century. Cost of living has gone up, inflation has gone up and the ability to afford healthcare has left with them. Bankruptcy rates in states that didn't expand Medicaid are soaring. I was raised on a low income and it was tough, then. Looking back on people who are still living where I came from, they are struggling. They're working multiple jobs, whereas one was enough to live on 20 years ago. Truthfully, I don't know how they're making ends meet without being in a ton of debt and I don't know who would continue to lend to them in that situation. Constant housing, health and income insecurity is soul crushing and I find it strange that it's so easily dismissed.