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Good points on most things but I disagree about app installs. I like how it is because I usually don't choose the folder it offers me anyway. I also instincti

Good points on most things but I disagree about app installs. I like how it is because I usually don't choose the folder it offers me anyway. I also instinctively shy away from the kind of installers you describe because it brings back memories of windows installers where I have to wonder what's actually happening (though I know the mac installer does more than just copy the files too).

jasonlotito 16y ago
That's a fair point. I'm mostly concerned with the actual drag and drop method anyways. It's cumbersome, and fairly difficult. Each installer has their own special graphical representation, and it's not always clear. Then you get the applications that have multiple files, and I'm sitting here wondering which one I'm supposed to install. And while you do have a point, I think it could be solved through some other method.
- loewenskind 16y ago
  Agreed, it could probably be solved some better way. I can see the reasoning behind doing it this way though. Drag and drop is something the user is presumably already doing, so installing a new program is associated with just copying a file into a folder. My favorite apps on windows were my favorites long before I ever touched a Mac system because they behaved this way (e.g. PuTTY).
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    I found apps like Putty annoying. I'd have to go put it into Program Files myself, setup the links, just to keep everything organized. If I didn't, I'd forget where I put putty. In truth, Linux is years ahead in the package management area then either Windows or OSX. Look at Ubuntu's new Software Centre. Apple did this with the App store, and the released documents concerning Windows 8 suggest Microsoft will be pushing for something similar. This isn't to say you are wrong, just idle conversation. =) At the end of the day, I'd prefer the system handle things by default so I don't have to worry about it.
    - loewenskind 16y ago
      Fair enough. Sounds like we have very different usage patterns. But I absolutely agree about Linux. I've always thought it had the worst desktop of the "big 3" but I love how one manages packages on e.g. Debian or Ubuntu. I agree that it's way on in front on that. The comparison of the App store and Linux package management (for most distros anyway) is very interesting. Online people groan endlessly about the App store and its "draconian control" but the main fundamental difference I see between it and e.g. debian's package management is that volunteers manage the repo on debian.
      - jasonlotito 16y ago
        Doesn't stop people from groaning about Debian's package management. =) I've always said I know the Linux, Windows, and OSX well enough to hate them all for specific reasons. =) And, I know I'm fairly picky, probably too much. But I'm only that way because I care enough.
        loewenskind 16y ago
        A little, but nothing like what people groan about the App store. I'm the same about the "big 3" OSes. And it's good to remain picky. "The world only moves forward due to the unreasonable" and all that.

jasonlotito 16y ago

That's a fair point. I'm mostly concerned with the actual drag and drop method anyways. It's cumbersome, and fairly difficult. Each installer has their own special graphical representation, and it's not always clear. Then you get the applications that have multiple files, and I'm sitting here wondering which one I'm supposed to install. And while you do have a point, I think it could be solved through some other method.

loewenskind 16y ago
Agreed, it could probably be solved some better way. I can see the reasoning behind doing it this way though. Drag and drop is something the user is presumably already doing, so installing a new program is associated with just copying a file into a folder. My favorite apps on windows were my favorites long before I ever touched a Mac system because they behaved this way (e.g. PuTTY).
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  I found apps like Putty annoying. I'd have to go put it into Program Files myself, setup the links, just to keep everything organized. If I didn't, I'd forget where I put putty. In truth, Linux is years ahead in the package management area then either Windows or OSX. Look at Ubuntu's new Software Centre. Apple did this with the App store, and the released documents concerning Windows 8 suggest Microsoft will be pushing for something similar. This isn't to say you are wrong, just idle conversation. =) At the end of the day, I'd prefer the system handle things by default so I don't have to worry about it.
  - loewenskind 16y ago
    Fair enough. Sounds like we have very different usage patterns. But I absolutely agree about Linux. I've always thought it had the worst desktop of the "big 3" but I love how one manages packages on e.g. Debian or Ubuntu. I agree that it's way on in front on that. The comparison of the App store and Linux package management (for most distros anyway) is very interesting. Online people groan endlessly about the App store and its "draconian control" but the main fundamental difference I see between it and e.g. debian's package management is that volunteers manage the repo on debian.
    - jasonlotito 16y ago
      Doesn't stop people from groaning about Debian's package management. =) I've always said I know the Linux, Windows, and OSX well enough to hate them all for specific reasons. =) And, I know I'm fairly picky, probably too much. But I'm only that way because I care enough.
      - loewenskind 16y ago
        A little, but nothing like what people groan about the App store. I'm the same about the "big 3" OSes. And it's good to remain picky. "The world only moves forward due to the unreasonable" and all that.