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Until recently it was a federal misdemeanor of minor import. There really is no reason to run excessive immigration centers from a logistical standpoint in a mo

Until recently it was a federal misdemeanor of minor import. There really is no reason to run excessive immigration centers from a logistical standpoint in a modern society. It's a legacy concept from days when things like air travel were not readily available to the masses. You assume that there NEEDS to be some kind of border enforcement. It's not clear why that needs to include detention camps, armed guns, tent cities for children, no logistical support for reuniting asylum seekers with their children, or intimidation tactics. That is, unless you think South Americans are fundamentally different and less worthy than their North American cousins in some axiomatic way that says, "Only the top N% of you are worthy of joining our society." This is especially true because the US really doesn't have substantial social services (or those that we do have are teetering on the edge of collapse) to fund compared to other first world countries who proportionally spend much more of their budget on entitlements. Seriously? What makes YOU more entitled to be here than someone else? The answer is: there are probably many people who'd like to be here that would have similar positive (or negative) impacts on society. It's only because of implicit exceptionalism in American culture that we assume there is chaff to filter out.

troubador55 8y ago
No we have to filter people because if we did not there would be chaos, and everything that makes America a great place to live would disappear. You seem to not understand how the world works at a fundamental level.
- KirinDave 8y ago
  > No we have to filter people because if we did not there would be chaos, and everything that makes America a great place to live would disappear. Prove it. > You seem to not understand how the world works at a fundamental level. You seem to believe in magic and suggest it's essential to the world. You think America is fundamentally different. It's really not. It's rich, that's the difference, and a difference that's fading over time as its imperialism is curbed by progress elsewhere. It's largest ideological plurality is Christian, which is just as violent and hate-prone as any other religions. It's not special. It's already chaotic. We could trivially improve the immigration process to make the waits less than 10x. We could even tax immigrants more than legacy citizens to offset that cost, if we wanted. But what people actually want is to pretend that they're special. That only the best of the rest of the world match up with their mediocre life. It'd be funny if it wasn't leading to scaled human rights abuses and mass child trafficking by the human government.
  - Reactionary_ 8y ago
    In order for the United States to remain united, its people must share basic elements of culture. While immigrants are an integral part of American culture - something that is itself unique to America - successive waves of immigrants have over the past 200 years integrated into the broader American culture over the generations. Immigrants bring their cultures with them and enrich the broader culture but ultimately they become American. Mass illegal immigration threatens this dynamic because in order for integration to happen, immigrants must be surrounded by people from outside of their culture. But if they continually pool into a few pockets of the country, they don't have an opportunity to integrate. Persistant linguistic and cultural differences represent fault lines along which the country could fracture. It's a risk that's not worth taking. Not only that, the current economic situation is one in which the gap between rich and poor is growing. If we let in massive amounts of poor illegal migrants, they will probably remain poor, unlike in the past when there were abundant factory jobs available to migrants that would have enabled them to join the middle class. Persistent poverty leads to unrest. We need to let immigrants in slowly so they can be gradually integrated into the economy, especially because studies show that most migrants are on welfare, placing a large burden on an already stressed social safety net. Not only that, open borders encourage drug smuggling, human trafficking and other criminal activity, and we cannot tolerate that. You don't recognize the threat to stability mass immigration causes and the critical importance of stability to national unity. The greatest threat to America is disunity from within, so we must do everything we can to encourage unity and unify the country. Mass immigration will lead to an unstable and fractured nation.

troubador55 8y ago

No we have to filter people because if we did not there would be chaos, and everything that makes America a great place to live would disappear. You seem to not understand how the world works at a fundamental level.

KirinDave 8y ago
> No we have to filter people because if we did not there would be chaos, and everything that makes America a great place to live would disappear. Prove it. > You seem to not understand how the world works at a fundamental level. You seem to believe in magic and suggest it's essential to the world. You think America is fundamentally different. It's really not. It's rich, that's the difference, and a difference that's fading over time as its imperialism is curbed by progress elsewhere. It's largest ideological plurality is Christian, which is just as violent and hate-prone as any other religions. It's not special. It's already chaotic. We could trivially improve the immigration process to make the waits less than 10x. We could even tax immigrants more than legacy citizens to offset that cost, if we wanted. But what people actually want is to pretend that they're special. That only the best of the rest of the world match up with their mediocre life. It'd be funny if it wasn't leading to scaled human rights abuses and mass child trafficking by the human government.
- Reactionary_ 8y ago
  In order for the United States to remain united, its people must share basic elements of culture. While immigrants are an integral part of American culture - something that is itself unique to America - successive waves of immigrants have over the past 200 years integrated into the broader American culture over the generations. Immigrants bring their cultures with them and enrich the broader culture but ultimately they become American. Mass illegal immigration threatens this dynamic because in order for integration to happen, immigrants must be surrounded by people from outside of their culture. But if they continually pool into a few pockets of the country, they don't have an opportunity to integrate. Persistant linguistic and cultural differences represent fault lines along which the country could fracture. It's a risk that's not worth taking. Not only that, the current economic situation is one in which the gap between rich and poor is growing. If we let in massive amounts of poor illegal migrants, they will probably remain poor, unlike in the past when there were abundant factory jobs available to migrants that would have enabled them to join the middle class. Persistent poverty leads to unrest. We need to let immigrants in slowly so they can be gradually integrated into the economy, especially because studies show that most migrants are on welfare, placing a large burden on an already stressed social safety net. Not only that, open borders encourage drug smuggling, human trafficking and other criminal activity, and we cannot tolerate that. You don't recognize the threat to stability mass immigration causes and the critical importance of stability to national unity. The greatest threat to America is disunity from within, so we must do everything we can to encourage unity and unify the country. Mass immigration will lead to an unstable and fractured nation.