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The widespread killing (and other abuses) of Rohingya is done by the Burmese Army as part of offensives against the independence armies in Rakhine state, not by

The widespread killing (and other abuses) of Rohingya is done by the Burmese Army as part of offensives against the independence armies in Rakhine state, not by people who read anti-muslim posts on FB and then go out and murder people. Burmese people (and UN, international press, etc.) aren't even allowed in the areas where the Rohingya crisis is happening! So no Facebook does not have much to do with it. Really.

packet_nerd 8y ago
Actually, more often than not, it is exactly the people who are reading the anti-muslim posts (and other forms of media, online and off) and then going out fueling the violence. When I was in the country there were riots and anti Muslim mobs accross the country, and they were both fueled by and contributed to the widespread atmosphere of hatred and revenge. And in Rakhine state the violence started with riots and mobs, not primarily the military. The Rohingya uprising was just a response to what must be a feeling of helplessness and desperation. They want to be treated fairly, but with the current political and social climate that's not going to happen.
- AmericanChopper 8y ago
  Well, at least Aung San Suu Kyi won a Nobel Peace Prize.
  - candiodari 8y ago
    The nobel peace prize has a long and sordid history of bad winners and horrifying nominees (but to be fair, the problem is more that those people were actually popular in intellectual circles at the time, the committee is simply part of that). At least "that guy" only got to nominee. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/12-worst-nobel-peace-prize-winners-2013-10 https://www.businessinsider.com.au/12-worst-nobel-peace-priz... Besides I wonder why the reporting on this conflict is so incredibly one sided. There are 2 major "details" being ommitted: 1) muslim ethnic cleansing of buddhists (including group rapes), and the declaration by militant groups that they were going to do it to the entire country is what started this. 2) muslim ethnic cleansing of buddhists in the neighboring country of Bangladesh. Both of these are at least closely related to the current conflict, and zero attention goes to them.
    - AmericanChopper 8y ago
      If you’re concerned about leaving out major details, then you should probably mention that the Rohignya have been persecuted since at least WWII. When the Buddhists fought along with the Japanese, and and the subsequent post-war Buddhist government declared all Rohingya stateless people and have been persecuting them ever since, until recently when they were all told to leave or be killed. Sure the conflict has cut both ways, but no reasonable person would expect anybody to just roll over and accept genocide. There’s been some level of Rohingya insurgency since they were all denied citizenship, but nothing that could even come close to being described as an ethnic cleansing, where as the Buddhist activity there is absolutely a full blown genocide.
      - candiodari 8y ago
        (in case it isn't clear to someone, the Rohyngia are the ones committing genocide on Buddhists in Bangladesh, some say with state support. Certainly no Bangladeshi army is partially mobilized to protect them like in Myanmar, even though yes, they managed to thoroughly piss off that Myanmarese army) So ... 50km down the line ? Across the Bangladeshi border ? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21161354 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21161354 Not that it hasn't been happening inside Myanmar too, but at a lower level than with state support, as the muslims have in Bangladesh and the Buddhists have in Myanmar, sure. How long has that been going on ? Since long before the separation ... (depending on where exactly you mean it's between 500 and 1000 years) Do I get a question now ? Why is there very little to zero action and attention to the Bangladesh persecutions/genocides ? Especially given that the death toll in Bangladesh is far higher over the past 50 years, more than a factor 10, than it is in Myanmar. Even more so given that it's probably just one single conflict, especially in the last 10 years, rather than 2 separate things ? Why is there zero mention of that side of it, and zero pressure on Bangladesh, hell, there are people claiming the Bangladeshi state is actually being paid to make it worse. The history of the situation in India is long, sordid and cruel. We know what started the whole thing : muslim invasion, with systematic genocides carried out over hundreds of years ... the only conflict in world history that caused so much death to actually cause a dent in the growth of humanity as a whole. A millenial genocide, fought mostly with dull knives and systematic abuse and persecution of non-muslims, with so much death that 100 nukes couldn't hope to be it's equal, with the 2 partitions in some ways just being a resumption of the old conflict between muslims and ... well everyone they ever met, temporarily put on ice in India by the British colonization.
DanBC 8y ago
This is simply not true. Violence against Rohingya people comes from both the military and from Rakhine people. https://www.irinnews.org/in-depth/denied-oppression-myanmar-s-rohingya-people https://www.irinnews.org/in-depth/denied-oppression-myanmar-...

packet_nerd 8y ago

Actually, more often than not, it is exactly the people who are reading the anti-muslim posts (and other forms of media, online and off) and then going out fueling the violence. When I was in the country there were riots and anti Muslim mobs accross the country, and they were both fueled by and contributed to the widespread atmosphere of hatred and revenge. And in Rakhine state the violence started with riots and mobs, not primarily the military. The Rohingya uprising was just a response to what must be a feeling of helplessness and desperation. They want to be treated fairly, but with the current political and social climate that's not going to happen.

AmericanChopper 8y ago
Well, at least Aung San Suu Kyi won a Nobel Peace Prize.
- candiodari 8y ago
  The nobel peace prize has a long and sordid history of bad winners and horrifying nominees (but to be fair, the problem is more that those people were actually popular in intellectual circles at the time, the committee is simply part of that). At least "that guy" only got to nominee. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/12-worst-nobel-peace-prize-winners-2013-10 https://www.businessinsider.com.au/12-worst-nobel-peace-priz... Besides I wonder why the reporting on this conflict is so incredibly one sided. There are 2 major "details" being ommitted: 1) muslim ethnic cleansing of buddhists (including group rapes), and the declaration by militant groups that they were going to do it to the entire country is what started this. 2) muslim ethnic cleansing of buddhists in the neighboring country of Bangladesh. Both of these are at least closely related to the current conflict, and zero attention goes to them.
  - AmericanChopper 8y ago
    If you’re concerned about leaving out major details, then you should probably mention that the Rohignya have been persecuted since at least WWII. When the Buddhists fought along with the Japanese, and and the subsequent post-war Buddhist government declared all Rohingya stateless people and have been persecuting them ever since, until recently when they were all told to leave or be killed. Sure the conflict has cut both ways, but no reasonable person would expect anybody to just roll over and accept genocide. There’s been some level of Rohingya insurgency since they were all denied citizenship, but nothing that could even come close to being described as an ethnic cleansing, where as the Buddhist activity there is absolutely a full blown genocide.
    - candiodari 8y ago
      (in case it isn't clear to someone, the Rohyngia are the ones committing genocide on Buddhists in Bangladesh, some say with state support. Certainly no Bangladeshi army is partially mobilized to protect them like in Myanmar, even though yes, they managed to thoroughly piss off that Myanmarese army) So ... 50km down the line ? Across the Bangladeshi border ? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21161354 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21161354 Not that it hasn't been happening inside Myanmar too, but at a lower level than with state support, as the muslims have in Bangladesh and the Buddhists have in Myanmar, sure. How long has that been going on ? Since long before the separation ... (depending on where exactly you mean it's between 500 and 1000 years) Do I get a question now ? Why is there very little to zero action and attention to the Bangladesh persecutions/genocides ? Especially given that the death toll in Bangladesh is far higher over the past 50 years, more than a factor 10, than it is in Myanmar. Even more so given that it's probably just one single conflict, especially in the last 10 years, rather than 2 separate things ? Why is there zero mention of that side of it, and zero pressure on Bangladesh, hell, there are people claiming the Bangladeshi state is actually being paid to make it worse. The history of the situation in India is long, sordid and cruel. We know what started the whole thing : muslim invasion, with systematic genocides carried out over hundreds of years ... the only conflict in world history that caused so much death to actually cause a dent in the growth of humanity as a whole. A millenial genocide, fought mostly with dull knives and systematic abuse and persecution of non-muslims, with so much death that 100 nukes couldn't hope to be it's equal, with the 2 partitions in some ways just being a resumption of the old conflict between muslims and ... well everyone they ever met, temporarily put on ice in India by the British colonization.

DanBC 8y ago

This is simply not true. Violence against Rohingya people comes from both the military and from Rakhine people. https://www.irinnews.org/in-depth/denied-oppression-myanmar-s-rohingya-people https://www.irinnews.org/in-depth/denied-oppression-myanmar-...