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Disciplined maybe, not prosecuted, as there are very few ways of placing a sandwich ("in a jet turbine" for example) that would constitute a crime. Also don't f
by rdiddly 8y ago
Disciplined maybe, not prosecuted, as there are very few ways of placing a sandwich ("in a jet turbine" for example) that would constitute a crime. Also don't forget you're reading Wired's telling of Pokora's telling of the event. Do we know this was done "for kicks?" Do we know the guards' inner thoughts, or did they express them outwardly? All we have is that Wired says Pokora says it was for kicks. Another explanation I can dream up right now: It's futile to give a shackled man a sandwich, even if you leave it right in his lap. (Assuming hands shackled behind.) So maybe the guards roll their eyes at the bureaucracy they work for, that insists on prepping a sandwich for someone who has no way of eating it, and they toss it in, in a combination of frustration with that, and the usual disdain for the kind of people they carry in the back of the vehicle who have (allegedly, but probably, since prosecutors don't like weak cases) acted to harm other people in a way that's serious enough to be illegal. Disclaimer: Unjust laws and victimless crimes exist.
- reefoctopus 8y agoYou’re doing mental gymnastics to justify cruel and dehumanizing behavior.
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- nannal 8y agoyou're advocating prosecution for improper sandwich distribution.
- birdtime 8y agoThe point is that we can't determine with certainty that cruel and dehumanising behaviour occurred in the first place. Unless you're willing to investigate the issue further it's probably more sensible to suspend your judgement or at least acknowledge that you're interpreting the article literally and assuming that it's factually correct.
- rdiddly 8y agoJustify? You'll note I never declared what was right or wrong, nor do I hasten toward any such conclusion. That was, not coincidentally, the point I was trying to illustrate... well firstly 1) that we don't know as much as we think we do, but mainly 2) that things are usually more complicated and murky than some simplistic moral fairy tale. Anyway to a mind that's flexible and agile, nothing feels particularly like gymnastics, but I do note that there is a weird disproportionality of anguish and outrage on this thread, over something that happened to me just now -- 3 hours without a sandwich. Partly because of fortune and partly by my own will not to fuck people over, I've never seen the inside of one of these places, but I'm still willing to wager that "no sandwich" is not the worst abuse that goes on "in custody." So if it outrages you, and prisoner rights is something that matters to you, all that energy might be better directed toward addressing some of those more serious abuses. Sorry to say, there are myriad other ways that the systems and institutions we all participate in, will ruin entire lives, including of non-prisoners, in cruel and dehumanizing ways. And there are criminals dead-set against those systems, who will do the same. Neither one is particularly your friend. Or sorry, that's presumptuous... neither one is particularly my friend.