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That would be the UN but with policing power. I'm not opposed to the idea either. I'd also like it to hold government ministers/officials personally responsibl

by tyfon 8y ago

That would be the UN but with policing power. I'm not opposed to the idea either. I'd also like it to hold government ministers/officials personally responsible for a states breaches of basic human rights. But the problem lies in it's structure, accountability and execution. It would be very hard to make a stable system that was objective and neither corrupt nor possible to subvert in some way.

JasonFruit 8y ago
As witness the current UN: stable, but not objective, thoroughly corrupt, and constantly subverted by pretty dictators and wannabe genocides. I think giving an organization like that enforcement power over anything would be a disaster — even if it weren't an affront to every sovereign nation on Earth.
- XorNot 8y ago
  The UN is a place to talk and conduct diplomacy. It is very intentionally intended to be the minimal, reliable set of international services needed to try and keep nations diplomatic channels open.
- tyfon 8y ago
  Agree, the UN in it's current form is a joke. I have no idea how an ideal structure for this would be, if even one could be created. "Power corrupts" is still as true as it was in 1870.
rgbrenner 8y ago
I agree the idea has problems. But I also would like to see democratic countries band closer together, and use their economic and military power to protect democracy and human rights. We opened our markets to many unfree countries on the idea that when they became richer, they would become democratic. We were wrong on that. Instead these countries sell to us to make themselves as dictators richer, and use our money to suppress their people, and in the name of free trade, we sell them the weapons and technology to do it. And when they become rich enough, they use their new found influence to attack democracy in other countries. Free trade with the west should be the reward for being democratic, free, and a protector of human rights of your citizens. Afterall it is our freedom that made us rich... we shouldn't allow dictators to benefit from it. Dictatorship is poverty. They are linked together. And without western money, they would be forced to live in the squalor they have created for themselves. Sadly our addiction to fossil fuels is probably the biggest impediment to this. Until thats solved, we'll continue to fund some of the worst human rights abusers in exchange for oil.

by tyfon 8y ago

JasonFruit 8y ago

As witness the current UN: stable, but not objective, thoroughly corrupt, and constantly subverted by pretty dictators and wannabe genocides. I think giving an organization like that enforcement power over anything would be a disaster — even if it weren't an affront to every sovereign nation on Earth.

XorNot 8y ago
The UN is a place to talk and conduct diplomacy. It is very intentionally intended to be the minimal, reliable set of international services needed to try and keep nations diplomatic channels open.
tyfon 8y ago
Agree, the UN in it's current form is a joke. I have no idea how an ideal structure for this would be, if even one could be created. "Power corrupts" is still as true as it was in 1870.

rgbrenner 8y ago

I agree the idea has problems. But I also would like to see democratic countries band closer together, and use their economic and military power to protect democracy and human rights. We opened our markets to many unfree countries on the idea that when they became richer, they would become democratic. We were wrong on that. Instead these countries sell to us to make themselves as dictators richer, and use our money to suppress their people, and in the name of free trade, we sell them the weapons and technology to do it. And when they become rich enough, they use their new found influence to attack democracy in other countries. Free trade with the west should be the reward for being democratic, free, and a protector of human rights of your citizens. Afterall it is our freedom that made us rich... we shouldn't allow dictators to benefit from it. Dictatorship is poverty. They are linked together. And without western money, they would be forced to live in the squalor they have created for themselves. Sadly our addiction to fossil fuels is probably the biggest impediment to this. Until thats solved, we'll continue to fund some of the worst human rights abusers in exchange for oil.