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>The root cause of fight is that partners disagree over something that is important to both (likely related to some core value). If both partners disagree abou
by logicchains 8y ago
>The root cause of fight is that partners disagree over something that is important to both (likely related to some core value).
If both partners disagree about a core value (and no mutually agreeable compromise is possible), the rational thing to do is either separate or for one party to accept the disagreement and move on. Repeatedly arguing about something serves absolutely no purpose, as there's extremely little chance of one party changing the other's mind this way (as is the case for angry arguments in general). As the Einstein quote goes, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again but expecting a different result.
Stress and sleep deprivation indeed make this more difficult, but these are things that can be eliminated, if not easily: case study, people who aren't sleep derived or stressed (everybody's probably met at least one).
>Self-control and compassion don't make disagreement or bad feelings over important things disappear.
Compassion and empathy make it easier to see why other people feel/think about a matter in a particular way, and hence easier to sympathise with their point of view, which in turn reduces bad feelings about it. Self-control helps us not get angry about things we've accepted (if we haven't chosen to separate, and can't convince our partner to accept our view, then we've implicitly accepted them having their view), as we can make our brain see how silly/irrational it is to get angry about something we've agreed to, reducing bad feelings.
> It does not have to be screaming match, but if you never disagree about things like child raising, it is likely that one did checked out.
I agree disagreement is practically unavoidable, but a disagreement need not become a fight. Getting angry is a terrible way to resolve disagreements. People manage to disagree about things they care about at work without getting physically angry, as they know getting angry will probably harm their case.
- watwut 8y agoEinstein was pretty shitty husband, don't take relationship advice from him. (He was good at physics.) I have seen enough angry collegues to know that people in fact don't manage to not be angry in work. Plenty of them angry without being abusive or toxic for the record, but clearly pissed and venting or yelling. Anger is feeling, it is not rational, compassion and listening don't stop it. Self control is about what you do, not what you feel. Repeated discussions make sense and can bring you two closer over time. Bit by bit. Can make you two learn to live with difference. That quote is not true. I am very glad I did not divorced first time serious difference arose.
- ScottBurson 8y ago> I agree disagreement is practically unavoidable, but a disagreement need not become a fight. To some extent I think we're just using the words differently. What I would say is that a fight doesn't have to get ugly. It's still a fight, though, if one person wants one thing to happen in the relationship, and the other wants something different to happen; it's more than just a factual disagreement — it requires resolution. This may be a matter of one person recognizing that they're being self-centered and backing down, or it may require both people pressing their arguments until a compromise or, better, a creative resolution is found. A fight doesn't require shouting, but it may require saying "I'm angry about this". Compassion and empathy are critical for fighting well, but they don't eliminate the need to fight, on occasion. Nor do fights have to be about the same things over and over — they do tend to be repetitive, though, when people fight dirty, as nothing is ever really resolved.