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For kicks, he says, the guards tossed the prisoners’ sandwiches onto the floor of the van, knowing that the tightly shackled men couldn’t reach them. Why is th
by ajeet_dhaliwal 8y ago
For kicks, he says, the guards tossed the prisoners’ sandwiches onto the floor of the van, knowing that the tightly shackled men couldn’t reach them.
Why is this permitted? Does anyone other than me think the guards should also be prosecuted for this behavior? Worst of all who are the sort of people who apply for these jobs, behave like this all day and then just go home at the end of the day to have a nice evening with family. Very disturbing.
Aside, odd feeling reading this article featuring a US-Canada border crossing right after playing Detroit: Become Human last night.
- sdhgaiojfsa 8y agoYou mean, assuming it happened? It's probably not permitted. It'd fall under the category of cruel and unusual punishment, or maybe extrajudicial punishment. Plenty of things happen that are not permitted.
- skj 8y agoIf there are no consequences, there is no prohibition.
- sdhgaiojfsa 8y agoA facile response. Sometimes prohibited activities are not observed. In these cases, it's hard to impose consequences. But it's much more complex than this. There's a question of how much we want to prevent such things, and, even supposing we're willing, how many resources we're willing to dedicate to the solution. There's also a question of prevention via cultural change, which is a hard problem if there ever was one.
- ratsimihah 8y ago> just go home at the end of the day to have a nice evening with family You mean, assuming they have do have a family and are capable of having a nice evening? Sometimes people's behavior convey their inner issues. Not that I'm justifying their behavior in any way, just objective thinking.
- finnthehuman 8y agoMost terrible things are done by "normal" people. Putting them into mutually exclusive categories is an attempt to hide from the discomfort of that idea and is ultimately counter-productive.
- staticautomatic 8y agoAka "the banality of evil"
- czr 8y agoAdding a quote: > There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do. - Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
- ratsimihah 8y agoThank you for the insight. I was just saying this was a possibility but I totally see what you mean, which probably results from human nature not being necessarily "good". Does anyone other than me think the guards should also be prosecuted for this behavior So yes, and who are the sort of people who apply for these jobs, behave like this all day and then just go home at the end of the day to have a nice evening with family Normal people? :/
- gambiting 8y ago>> Does anyone other than me think the guards should also be prosecuted for this behavior? I do, but there's a whole lot of people who are happy with behavior like this because they think prisoners should suffer and they are 100% ok with this.
- rdiddly 8y agoDisciplined maybe, not prosecuted, as there are very few ways of placing a sandwich ("in a jet turbine" for example) that would constitute a crime. Also don't forget you're reading Wired's telling of Pokora's telling of the event. Do we know this was done "for kicks?" Do we know the guards' inner thoughts, or did they express them outwardly? All we have is that Wired says Pokora says it was for kicks. Another explanation I can dream up right now: It's futile to give a shackled man a sandwich, even if you leave it right in his lap. (Assuming hands shackled behind.) So maybe the guards roll their eyes at the bureaucracy they work for, that insists on prepping a sandwich for someone who has no way of eating it, and they toss it in, in a combination of frustration with that, and the usual disdain for the kind of people they carry in the back of the vehicle who have (allegedly, but probably, since prosecutors don't like weak cases) acted to harm other people in a way that's serious enough to be illegal. Disclaimer: Unjust laws and victimless crimes exist.
- reefoctopus 8y agoYou’re doing mental gymnastics to justify cruel and dehumanizing behavior.
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- nannal 8y agoyou're advocating prosecution for improper sandwich distribution.
- SlowRobotAhead 8y agoThats what you took away from this story? Really? That some transportation guards were reportedly jerks. If tossing a sandwhich just outside of arms reach is cruel and unusual punishment to you, must not have had older siblings. People are jerks sometimes. These kids, had a lot more than an out of reach sandwhich coming to them.
- travmatt 8y agoThat’s the most spirited defense I’ve seen of denying food to prisoners, congratulations?
- SlowRobotAhead 8y agoAnd yours is the most missing the forest for the trees I've ever seen. Congrats.
- travmatt 8y agoCan you please run us through the upsides of normalizing and supporting dehumanization and torture? This is the first time I’ve read that conduct legally ruled cruel and unusual punishment and used by authoritarian regimes around the world is actually a loving act of kindness, so I’m very curious about how youve reached that conclusion. In the same vein, do you also believe victims in abusive relationships that the violence towards them is their fault, and that their abusers are doing it out of love?
- SlowRobotAhead 8y agoSure. Your definition of torture is a guard tossed a sandwich out of arms reach for a 3 hour ride because he's a jerk. I rest my case.
- odonnellryan 8y agoWhy should we not treat all people humanely?
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