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Estimates show undocumented immigrants are net contributors to welfare, they pay taxes but they can’t apply for most benefits that they’re paying into. Half of

Estimates show undocumented immigrants are net contributors to welfare, they pay taxes but they can’t apply for most benefits that they’re paying into. Half of undocumented immigrants pay taxes. Source: https://itep.org/wp-content/uploads/undocumentedtaxes.pdf https://itep.org/wp-content/uploads/undocumentedtaxes.pdf

patrickg_zill 8y ago
Yeah, that is total BS. BTW they are not "undocumented" as if their dog ate their passport: they are illegal immigrants. The total local, state, federal burden of all the benefits they receive, greatly outweighs the pitiful amount they pay in taxes. 2017 stats indicate $19B paid into the system, $135B in services taken out: a net $116B loss to America. https://www.scribd.com/document/359997156/Cost-Study-2017-Web#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/359997156/Cost-Study-2017-We... Even if you say that "FAIR is biased", and discount the numbers by 50%, you still have a negative impact of over $50B a year. California, ALONE, spends over $30 billion a year on services for illegals. $10.6 billion in paid taxes: according to your link "overall effective tax rate of 6.4 percent". Explain how that is fair, please...
- simplecomplex 8y ago
  Most citizens are not net contributors to welfare. It sounds like you dislike welfare, not immigrants. People who come here legally and illegally are just like you and me, wanting the same things, to work, live, and provide a better future for their children. They are human beings. But I get it... freedom and markets when it benefits you and exclusion and socialism when it doesn’t.
  - furgooswft13 8y ago
    I don't get it, "Estimates show undocumented immigrants are net contributors to welfare" yet "Most citizens are not net contributors to welfare". Is it because undocumented immigrants "pay taxes but they can’t apply for most benefits that they’re paying into" (even though in many jurisdictions they can and do)? Even if true, there are far more legal citizens in the US than alien immigrants, and most of those are not on welfare. I just can't square what you are saying here with your previous comment. > People who come here legally and illegally are just like you and me, wanting the same things, to work, live, and provide a better future for their children. They are human beings. That's great, but it still affects people already legally here who also want to "work, live, and provide a better future for their children". The H-1B program gets a lot of ire from these parts because it has a downward effect on salaries and job availability for US citizens in the tech sector. But I guess that's no problem when it's the same deal just for jobs none of us would ever consider.
  - patrickg_zill 8y ago
    I responded with facts, that showed your numbers are not based in reality. I don't dispute that they are human beings...

patrickg_zill 8y ago

Yeah, that is total BS. BTW they are not "undocumented" as if their dog ate their passport: they are illegal immigrants. The total local, state, federal burden of all the benefits they receive, greatly outweighs the pitiful amount they pay in taxes. 2017 stats indicate $19B paid into the system, $135B in services taken out: a net $116B loss to America. https://www.scribd.com/document/359997156/Cost-Study-2017-Web#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/359997156/Cost-Study-2017-We... Even if you say that "FAIR is biased", and discount the numbers by 50%, you still have a negative impact of over $50B a year. California, ALONE, spends over $30 billion a year on services for illegals. $10.6 billion in paid taxes: according to your link "overall effective tax rate of 6.4 percent". Explain how that is fair, please...

simplecomplex 8y ago
Most citizens are not net contributors to welfare. It sounds like you dislike welfare, not immigrants. People who come here legally and illegally are just like you and me, wanting the same things, to work, live, and provide a better future for their children. They are human beings. But I get it... freedom and markets when it benefits you and exclusion and socialism when it doesn’t.
- furgooswft13 8y ago
  I don't get it, "Estimates show undocumented immigrants are net contributors to welfare" yet "Most citizens are not net contributors to welfare". Is it because undocumented immigrants "pay taxes but they can’t apply for most benefits that they’re paying into" (even though in many jurisdictions they can and do)? Even if true, there are far more legal citizens in the US than alien immigrants, and most of those are not on welfare. I just can't square what you are saying here with your previous comment. > People who come here legally and illegally are just like you and me, wanting the same things, to work, live, and provide a better future for their children. They are human beings. That's great, but it still affects people already legally here who also want to "work, live, and provide a better future for their children". The H-1B program gets a lot of ire from these parts because it has a downward effect on salaries and job availability for US citizens in the tech sector. But I guess that's no problem when it's the same deal just for jobs none of us would ever consider.
- patrickg_zill 8y ago
  I responded with facts, that showed your numbers are not based in reality. I don't dispute that they are human beings...