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One area's net immigration is another area's brain drain. Look around your own country and ask if the movement to the richer areas has helped the areas the peo

One area's net immigration is another area's brain drain. Look around your own country and ask if the movement to the richer areas has helped the areas the people come from, or the all the people that were there in the first place or even really those that did the moving. We keep recreating the slums of 1840s Manchester with every cycle and still we never learn. Never take open borders arguments from anybody with a lock on their front door. Free movement is essentially the privatisation of borders for the benefit of the rich. You can have a border if you can afford to purchase enough land, put a fence up and hire the heavies to keep the riffraff out. Everybody else gets to fight it out in the mud pool.

simplecomplex 8y ago
Equating someone moving to the town you live in (wherever they come from) and breaking into your home is disingenuous and childish.
- neilwilson 8y ago
  That's not what I'm say is it, and you present no actual argument against the analogy. Just an emotional reaction - a tell for cognitive dissonance. The difference between open borders and visa control is simply this. Do you believe that somebody should be able to walk into your house, sit down on the front sofa and demand Pringles, which you have to then provide. Or do you believe that somebody should knock on your door first and ask if they can come in, you then invite them into the front room and offer them Pringles. For the majority of poorer people whose outlook ties them to an area, not a profession, a country is seen as a sort of house share. And open borders fans are that annoying house mate who keeps bringing in new people without asking, and expecting everybody else to put up with them sleeping on the sofa.
  - csomar 8y ago
    I agree with you but evolution predicts globalization. Instead of moving backward, we have to figure out how to move forward. The world will be a place where money is what guarantees safety. State welfare will be no more. No place is safe if it is free. Access to infrastructure will be open but cost money regardless of your citizenship. If you think the future will be like that, you should stop paying taxes (as in contributing to the old model), move to a tax free jurisdiction and start saving funds (as in make sure you can live in a gated society). The old model is collapsing (governments, countries, borders, citizenship) albeit slowly. Governments are getting more indebted and less efficient. Corps are making record gains. International trade is still thriving despite all. And the Internet is still here. Move to the new model my friend :)

simplecomplex 8y ago

Equating someone moving to the town you live in (wherever they come from) and breaking into your home is disingenuous and childish.

neilwilson 8y ago
That's not what I'm say is it, and you present no actual argument against the analogy. Just an emotional reaction - a tell for cognitive dissonance. The difference between open borders and visa control is simply this. Do you believe that somebody should be able to walk into your house, sit down on the front sofa and demand Pringles, which you have to then provide. Or do you believe that somebody should knock on your door first and ask if they can come in, you then invite them into the front room and offer them Pringles. For the majority of poorer people whose outlook ties them to an area, not a profession, a country is seen as a sort of house share. And open borders fans are that annoying house mate who keeps bringing in new people without asking, and expecting everybody else to put up with them sleeping on the sofa.
- csomar 8y ago
  I agree with you but evolution predicts globalization. Instead of moving backward, we have to figure out how to move forward. The world will be a place where money is what guarantees safety. State welfare will be no more. No place is safe if it is free. Access to infrastructure will be open but cost money regardless of your citizenship. If you think the future will be like that, you should stop paying taxes (as in contributing to the old model), move to a tax free jurisdiction and start saving funds (as in make sure you can live in a gated society). The old model is collapsing (governments, countries, borders, citizenship) albeit slowly. Governments are getting more indebted and less efficient. Corps are making record gains. International trade is still thriving despite all. And the Internet is still here. Move to the new model my friend :)