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This article is... ok. It's a puff piece for a book that is trying to ride the coat tails of Jurassic Park. But the headline doesn't follow from the article.

This article is... ok. It's a puff piece for a book that is trying to ride the coat tails of Jurassic Park. But the headline doesn't follow from the article. The author says that Jurassic Park has been good for paleontology because it increased public interest in dinosaurs. But saying it has modernized paleontology is quite the stretch.

ghaff 8y ago
The book actually looks sort of interesting (although reviews suggest it's not written very well). I'm not aware of other recent books that pull together recent discoveries although I can't say it's an area that I follow especially closely. But, yeah, there's absolutely nothing in the interview to support the claim that Jurassic Park modernized paleontology. Rather, Jurassic Park represented an era where: 1.) CGI has getting astonishingly good relative to what people were used to seeing and 2.) Dinosaurs were being dramatically rethought relative to the giant lumbering reptiles that were still how most people thought of them.
- briandear 8y ago
  It’s also a great story that brings up a lot of philosophical questions, especially as we started getting into cloning and bioethics. Michael Criton was a genius and had a good handle on the future. Jurassic Park was more than dinosaurs — it was a fable of caution in a rapidly evolving world.
  - ghaff 8y ago
    No argument from me. It was timely and visually exciting. But it was also just a good movie on a lot of other dimensions--the script, the actors, etc. Criton -> Crichton BTW. Though I have to say that the book never grabbed me the way the movie did. Or that a couple of other Crichton books did. His novels seemed to be starting to turn into something more akin to movie treatments by then.
    - DrScump 8y ago
      I have to say that the book never grabbed me the way the movie did. Really? I read the book first. I was profoundly disappointed in the movie. I was angered by how artificial and contrived the deviations from the book were.
      - feiofh398r39rty 8y ago
        Book was Crichton's, movie was Spielsberg's
        DrScump 8y ago
        Chrichton wrote the screenplay.
      - PakG1 8y ago
        Unfortunately, there are very few movie adaptations of books where this isn't the case. You gotta let it go. I eventually did over the Jason Bourne series. How can they make a whole series of movies based on a series of books where the main antagonist doesn't even exist in the movies and the girlfriend dies at the beginning of the second movie instead of becoming the wife that keeps him human and gripped on reality? Eventually... Just gotta let it go. :(
        ghaff 8y ago
        Films are always always going to depart from books. The media are a lot different. They're probably targeted at different audiences. I don't remember many of the details of the Bourne books; it's literally been decades since I read them. But Ludlum's books were cut from the shadowy conspiracy/spy/etc. cloth whereas the Bourne movies are primarily big budget modern Hollywood action adventure. (Which I don't much care for and probably wouldn't have loved even if they kept characters and other relationships between the books and the films.) Directors are also just going to have their own visions. In many cases, they're just not going to like some of the creative choices the original author made--and there are a lot of fingers in Hollywood development projects in any case.
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    I liked the movie, but if there was a moral it was no more than the standard-issue Frankenstein fearmongering: "if you meddle in God's domain, or study that which man was not meant to know, awful things will happen." It certainly makes for fun adventures, but I'm not sure it's praiseworthy on its own.
- MadcapJake 8y ago
  > 1.) CGI has getting astonishingly good relative to what people were used to seeing Wasn't the first one done with animatronics and costumes?
  - jccooper 8y ago
    Largely. But what CGI it did use was very good for the time (and even today), and represented something if a watershed moment.
  - codeulike 8y ago
    There's plenty of CGI in the first JP. At the time it was groundbreaking. The first big reveal of the brachiosaur munching on trees is CGI (this famous clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJlmYh27MHg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJlmYh27MHg). I think most of the big dinosaurs were CGI. Some of the raptor stuff was costumes. And some of the close-ups were models. Its interesting to ponder that before Jurassic Park released in 1993, no-one had ever seen a photorealistic moving image of a dinosaur. Every attempt beforehand was glaringly obvious stop motion. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hxSws2W0-E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hxSws2W0-E
    - ghaff 8y ago
      This is one of the films whose visual impact at the time is hard to appreciate today. That scene was one in which the impact on the audience was almost as great as it was on the characters in the clip. The opening of Star Was was similar (although that was more models-based).
      - bonesss 8y ago
        I think a lot of the impact can be recreated, with the appropriate score: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-58hQ9dLk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-58hQ9dLk
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naikrovek 8y ago
Well, the influx of new blood would almost certainly have a secondary effect of finding new ways to do things. So, Jurassic Park probably didn't directly contribute, and indirect contributions do not seem like a stretch to me at all.

ghaff 8y ago

The book actually looks sort of interesting (although reviews suggest it's not written very well). I'm not aware of other recent books that pull together recent discoveries although I can't say it's an area that I follow especially closely. But, yeah, there's absolutely nothing in the interview to support the claim that Jurassic Park modernized paleontology. Rather, Jurassic Park represented an era where: 1.) CGI has getting astonishingly good relative to what people were used to seeing and 2.) Dinosaurs were being dramatically rethought relative to the giant lumbering reptiles that were still how most people thought of them.

briandear 8y ago
It’s also a great story that brings up a lot of philosophical questions, especially as we started getting into cloning and bioethics. Michael Criton was a genius and had a good handle on the future. Jurassic Park was more than dinosaurs — it was a fable of caution in a rapidly evolving world.
- ghaff 8y ago
  No argument from me. It was timely and visually exciting. But it was also just a good movie on a lot of other dimensions--the script, the actors, etc. Criton -> Crichton BTW. Though I have to say that the book never grabbed me the way the movie did. Or that a couple of other Crichton books did. His novels seemed to be starting to turn into something more akin to movie treatments by then.
  - DrScump 8y ago
    I have to say that the book never grabbed me the way the movie did. Really? I read the book first. I was profoundly disappointed in the movie. I was angered by how artificial and contrived the deviations from the book were.
    - feiofh398r39rty 8y ago
      Book was Crichton's, movie was Spielsberg's
      - DrScump 8y ago
        Chrichton wrote the screenplay.
    - PakG1 8y ago
      Unfortunately, there are very few movie adaptations of books where this isn't the case. You gotta let it go. I eventually did over the Jason Bourne series. How can they make a whole series of movies based on a series of books where the main antagonist doesn't even exist in the movies and the girlfriend dies at the beginning of the second movie instead of becoming the wife that keeps him human and gripped on reality? Eventually... Just gotta let it go. :(
      - ghaff 8y ago
        Films are always always going to depart from books. The media are a lot different. They're probably targeted at different audiences. I don't remember many of the details of the Bourne books; it's literally been decades since I read them. But Ludlum's books were cut from the shadowy conspiracy/spy/etc. cloth whereas the Bourne movies are primarily big budget modern Hollywood action adventure. (Which I don't much care for and probably wouldn't have loved even if they kept characters and other relationships between the books and the films.) Directors are also just going to have their own visions. In many cases, they're just not going to like some of the creative choices the original author made--and there are a lot of fingers in Hollywood development projects in any case.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  I liked the movie, but if there was a moral it was no more than the standard-issue Frankenstein fearmongering: "if you meddle in God's domain, or study that which man was not meant to know, awful things will happen." It certainly makes for fun adventures, but I'm not sure it's praiseworthy on its own.
MadcapJake 8y ago
> 1.) CGI has getting astonishingly good relative to what people were used to seeing Wasn't the first one done with animatronics and costumes?
- jccooper 8y ago
  Largely. But what CGI it did use was very good for the time (and even today), and represented something if a watershed moment.
- codeulike 8y ago
  There's plenty of CGI in the first JP. At the time it was groundbreaking. The first big reveal of the brachiosaur munching on trees is CGI (this famous clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJlmYh27MHg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJlmYh27MHg). I think most of the big dinosaurs were CGI. Some of the raptor stuff was costumes. And some of the close-ups were models. Its interesting to ponder that before Jurassic Park released in 1993, no-one had ever seen a photorealistic moving image of a dinosaur. Every attempt beforehand was glaringly obvious stop motion. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hxSws2W0-E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hxSws2W0-E
  - ghaff 8y ago
    This is one of the films whose visual impact at the time is hard to appreciate today. That scene was one in which the impact on the audience was almost as great as it was on the characters in the clip. The opening of Star Was was similar (although that was more models-based).
    - bonesss 8y ago
      I think a lot of the impact can be recreated, with the appropriate score: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-58hQ9dLk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-58hQ9dLk
      - deleted 8y ago
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naikrovek 8y ago

Well, the influx of new blood would almost certainly have a secondary effect of finding new ways to do things. So, Jurassic Park probably didn't directly contribute, and indirect contributions do not seem like a stretch to me at all.