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A world of free movement will not have a single welfare state. Even after decades, and generations, immigrants from certain regions have absolutely abysmal rat

by P5Wl 8y ago

A world of free movement will not have a single welfare state. Even after decades, and generations, immigrants from certain regions have absolutely abysmal rates of employment in more developed countries they have settled in. How would an even larger scale of immigration flip the trend we can already witness, a complete 180 degrees? Many seem completely content on living on benefits alone, or fully unable to find employment with the skill set they have gathered, even when they have born in the country where the natives fare much better. The way I see it, the money that is being spent on these people could be spent with a far better interest elsewhere. 78 trillion, truly, is a fantasy pulled from a behind.

hello_1234 8y ago
I don't know where you got your information from. It's half true. No, immigrants do not have abysmal rates of employment. The unemployment rate for foreign-born persons in the United States was 4.1 percent in 2017 compared to 4.4 percent for native-born persons (Dept of Labor, Labor Force Characteristics of Foreign-born Workers Summary). Immigrants do use more entitlement than native-borns, but that's because immigrants tend to have more children. Given how low the fertility rate for native-borns is, the entitlement that immigrants use to bring up their children probably pays itself off once the children grow up and contribute to the economy.
- badestrand 8y ago
  > No, immigrants do not have abysmal rates of employment I think it depends on the specific form of migration to that country. For example the USA or Switzerland have very high skilled people coming to their country. In Germany too, but there was and is also a large influx of very uneducated migrants. Currently 55% of all welfare recipients in Germany are people with a migration background which shows that the opportunities/capabilities are not equal. I do think though that welfare can still work with free movement, it is just that there would need to be a similar level in all/many countries.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    Most immigration into USA is through the family track rather than the skilled worker track.
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by P5Wl 8y ago

hello_1234 8y ago

I don't know where you got your information from. It's half true. No, immigrants do not have abysmal rates of employment. The unemployment rate for foreign-born persons in the United States was 4.1 percent in 2017 compared to 4.4 percent for native-born persons (Dept of Labor, Labor Force Characteristics of Foreign-born Workers Summary). Immigrants do use more entitlement than native-borns, but that's because immigrants tend to have more children. Given how low the fertility rate for native-borns is, the entitlement that immigrants use to bring up their children probably pays itself off once the children grow up and contribute to the economy.

badestrand 8y ago
> No, immigrants do not have abysmal rates of employment I think it depends on the specific form of migration to that country. For example the USA or Switzerland have very high skilled people coming to their country. In Germany too, but there was and is also a large influx of very uneducated migrants. Currently 55% of all welfare recipients in Germany are people with a migration background which shows that the opportunities/capabilities are not equal. I do think though that welfare can still work with free movement, it is just that there would need to be a similar level in all/many countries.
- int_19h 8y ago
  Most immigration into USA is through the family track rather than the skilled worker track.

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