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The immediate goal of everyone in this country should be to open the borders and open trade. There is no excuse. Borders serve no useful purpose in a globaliz

The immediate goal of everyone in this country should be to open the borders and open trade. There is no excuse. Borders serve no useful purpose in a globalized economy. Can you imagine how terrible it would be if the states had hard borders between them? People act like having open borders mean invading marauders of foreigners, but did everyone from Ohio invade Maryland because of the open borders the states have? In reality, most people would stay where their family and relatives are. "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere." - Hillary Clinton Let's start by making annexing the states of Canada and Mexico into the US, and work other countries from there. Do it.

sjdbwixb 8y ago
I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to ban Californians from moving into their state
ipsocannibal 8y ago
You know we tried this during the Mexican-American war. It turns out the Mexicans are still pretty sore about this. If borders were a purely economic construct I might agree with you. However, they aren't, not even primarily. Remove modern notions of economics, look into deep history, and borders still exist. As for Mrs. Clinton, she dreamed she could be President twice. We all know how that worked out for her and unfortunately us.
sintaxi 8y ago
We would have to go to a more libertarian free-market model to make open borders work which seems like the opposite direction people want to go - especially those advocating for open borders.
sergiotapia 8y ago
lol
oldcynic 8y ago
I think Canada and Mexico might take issue with this plan.
- mozumder 8y ago
  I'm sure we can work out a deal that'll make everyone happy. It might take some changes in our laws as well, but it can happen.
  - ddorian43 8y ago
    Yep. Another 9/11 will get everyone on board.
    - mozumder 8y ago
      Why would it not? The government didn't bar whites from traveling after Oklahoma City..
neilwilson 8y ago
Open borders without a transfer union leads to Greece and Italy. But when did evidential practice ever impact neoliberal economic theory
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dna_polymerase 8y ago
Borders serve a purpose. As a matter of fact people from Southern America (for example) hold other educational backgrounds, belief systems and an overall different attitude than people from the North. While we all are humans and we all should treat each other with respect we shouldn't forget that we all are different. In some cases we are more compatible to each other in some we aren't. Someday we might have a world without borders, but that isn't until we have solved education, wealth and access to those for the whole planet. > People act like having open borders mean invading marauders of foreigners, but did everyone from Ohio invade Maryland because of the open borders the states have? Because Ohio and Maryland are not that different. However El Salvador and the U.S. are and it might lead to huge problems (like the U.S. already has) Also as you like Hillary Quotes so much: "Can't we just drone this guy" - Hillary Clinton on Julian Assange
- mozumder 8y ago
  I live in literally the most diverse area of the US, and no, people from South America and Ohio really aren't different at all. You could swap out our actual Peruvian home builders for someone in Ohio (if they wanted the job) and it would be the same. Like I said, there is no excuse. Cultural differences aren't big enough to warrant borders and impose trade restrictions.
  - ipsocannibal 8y ago
    Interesting. Let put this into action. How about you try to hitchhike across western europe or japan and document your experences. Then try to hitchhike across the middle east or subsaharan africa. Let me know how that one goes for you. I hope you don't encounter any differences.
  - dna_polymerase 8y ago
    > I live in literally the most diverse area of the US, and no, people from South America and Ohio really aren't different at all. Maybe you should leave your echo chamber every once in a while. I also live in the most diverse area of my nation, and while it is all fun and games when I am around well educated, well mannered people from different countries it is less fun when I have to cross the street in a diverse area with less high educational standards. The former by the way are already eligible to cross the border at any time (because they are legally able to obtain a visa) the latter aren't and really shouldn't. That said, the cultural differences in the Americas might be less grave than Europe and the Middle East, or the U.S. and the Middle East for example. It really boils down to religion and education (in most cases), both of which are pretty similar in the Americas.

sjdbwixb 8y ago

I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to ban Californians from moving into their state

ipsocannibal 8y ago

You know we tried this during the Mexican-American war. It turns out the Mexicans are still pretty sore about this. If borders were a purely economic construct I might agree with you. However, they aren't, not even primarily. Remove modern notions of economics, look into deep history, and borders still exist. As for Mrs. Clinton, she dreamed she could be President twice. We all know how that worked out for her and unfortunately us.

sintaxi 8y ago

We would have to go to a more libertarian free-market model to make open borders work which seems like the opposite direction people want to go - especially those advocating for open borders.

sergiotapia 8y ago

lol

oldcynic 8y ago

I think Canada and Mexico might take issue with this plan.

mozumder 8y ago
I'm sure we can work out a deal that'll make everyone happy. It might take some changes in our laws as well, but it can happen.
- ddorian43 8y ago
  Yep. Another 9/11 will get everyone on board.
  - mozumder 8y ago
    Why would it not? The government didn't bar whites from traveling after Oklahoma City..

neilwilson 8y ago

Open borders without a transfer union leads to Greece and Italy. But when did evidential practice ever impact neoliberal economic theory

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dna_polymerase 8y ago

Borders serve a purpose. As a matter of fact people from Southern America (for example) hold other educational backgrounds, belief systems and an overall different attitude than people from the North. While we all are humans and we all should treat each other with respect we shouldn't forget that we all are different. In some cases we are more compatible to each other in some we aren't. Someday we might have a world without borders, but that isn't until we have solved education, wealth and access to those for the whole planet. > People act like having open borders mean invading marauders of foreigners, but did everyone from Ohio invade Maryland because of the open borders the states have? Because Ohio and Maryland are not that different. However El Salvador and the U.S. are and it might lead to huge problems (like the U.S. already has) Also as you like Hillary Quotes so much: "Can't we just drone this guy" - Hillary Clinton on Julian Assange

mozumder 8y ago
I live in literally the most diverse area of the US, and no, people from South America and Ohio really aren't different at all. You could swap out our actual Peruvian home builders for someone in Ohio (if they wanted the job) and it would be the same. Like I said, there is no excuse. Cultural differences aren't big enough to warrant borders and impose trade restrictions.
- ipsocannibal 8y ago
  Interesting. Let put this into action. How about you try to hitchhike across western europe or japan and document your experences. Then try to hitchhike across the middle east or subsaharan africa. Let me know how that one goes for you. I hope you don't encounter any differences.
- dna_polymerase 8y ago
  > I live in literally the most diverse area of the US, and no, people from South America and Ohio really aren't different at all. Maybe you should leave your echo chamber every once in a while. I also live in the most diverse area of my nation, and while it is all fun and games when I am around well educated, well mannered people from different countries it is less fun when I have to cross the street in a diverse area with less high educational standards. The former by the way are already eligible to cross the border at any time (because they are legally able to obtain a visa) the latter aren't and really shouldn't. That said, the cultural differences in the Americas might be less grave than Europe and the Middle East, or the U.S. and the Middle East for example. It really boils down to religion and education (in most cases), both of which are pretty similar in the Americas.