Yeah it's a bad trade-off developers don't realize they're making sometimes. Spring is Gigantic. Application containers like Tomcat aren't much better. It's eas

Yeah it's a bad trade-off developers don't realize they're making sometimes. Spring is Gigantic. Application containers like Tomcat aren't much better. It's easy to write huge apps in Java that still perform well so there's not much pressure to modulize huge monolithic libraries. So we all just deal with the 200+ deep stack frames. Newer frameworks like Vert.X and Dropwizard address this pretty well. We have a fairly large Dropwizard project that still starts in ~5 seconds. Also some written in Spring MVC that take 2 minutes... Also, God AspectJ let's you create horrible abominations. And it feels like it was designed to encourage you to do so. A great example of why you shouldn't always use self modifying code even if it's easy to do.