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Oh my god. You're talking to competent computer users on Hacker News, not people who use crapware download sites and need to be warned away from them by "HowToG

by rspeer 8y ago

Oh my god. You're talking to competent computer users on Hacker News, not people who use crapware download sites and need to be warned away from them by "HowToGeek". Of course there is trustworthy freeware. You can get it using Apt, Yum, Ninite, Chocolatey, Homebrew, or just by going to the actual site of a trustworthy software product. The fact that the people who run most download sites are scum isn't a problem with the software. It's a problem with those sites.

ksk 8y ago
Um, the download section on the vendors website contains the text "This installer may include bundled offers. Check below for more options." https://imgur.com/a/Xrc1jMy https://imgur.com/a/Xrc1jMy You can download FileZilla without the bundled "offers". If the average hacker news reader is capable of doing that, then whats left is just a criticism of ALL bundled installers, in which case, pick a number and join the queue.
- rspeer 8y ago
  HN readers are capable of not using FileZilla, because its admin is actively trying to mislead its users into running malware. Are you associated with FileZilla? Why are you here bringing out the "everyone is doing it" defense?
  - ksk 8y ago
    >HN readers are capable of not using FileZilla, because its admin is actively trying to mislead its users into running malware. Then your prior comment makes no sense to me. >Of course there is trustworthy freeware. You can get it using Apt, Yum, Ninite, Chocolatey, Homebrew, or just by going to the actual site of a trustworthy software product. If you don't use the crapware downloader, then the vendor doesn't get any money. I noted that pretty much all freeware is bundled like so, including your "trustworthy" software, on various other download sites. Then the only way the vendor can stay in business is if enough people download the crapware version. >Are you associated with FileZilla? Huh? Why are you asking, and why would it matter? >Why are you here bringing out the "everyone is doing it" defense? I am not. Its your interpretation that's flawed.
    - rspeer 8y ago
      What doesn't make sense? FileZilla is a bad actor who is trying to infect people's computers with malware. Download sites are bad actors who are trying to infect people's computers with malware. People should have all the information they need to avoid malware, so they can make good decisions, such as installing WinSCP from Ninite instead of installing FileZilla by any method. You keep denying that trustworthy free software exists, and yet when anyone points out that it does, you change the topic to something fraud-ridden like download sites. People who cheat on tests believe everyone is cheating on tests. I do not care one bit for your business model. Please go out of business ASAP.
      - ksk 8y ago
        >Such as installing WinSCP from Ninite instead of installing FileZilla by any method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinSCP#Advertisements_in_installer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinSCP#Advertisements_in_insta... >You keep denying that trustworthy free software exists, and yet when anyone points out that it does, you change the topic. People who cheat on tests believe everyone is cheating on tests. You are unable to understand how "trustworthy free software" vendors make money. Rather than wild accusations and hysteria, I'd recommend calm collected analytical thinking.
        rspeer 8y ago
        It would have been a bad idea to use WinSCP in 2014 also. Yet you'll notice they backed off and have had years to repair their reputation, instead of getting caught a second time and trying to cover it up like FileZilla is doing. I understand how your kind of free software makes money perfectly well. It's not trustworthy in the slightest. You don't need to make money to make a program that copies files. And if you bundle your free software with a scam, you're not making money as a software developer anyway, you're making money as a scammer.
        ksk 8y ago
        You seem very confused. FileZilla wasn't "caught". They openly say that they bundle crapware. Sorry, this is not a productive conversation. Goodbye.

by rspeer 8y ago

ksk 8y ago

Um, the download section on the vendors website contains the text "This installer may include bundled offers. Check below for more options." https://imgur.com/a/Xrc1jMy https://imgur.com/a/Xrc1jMy You can download FileZilla without the bundled "offers". If the average hacker news reader is capable of doing that, then whats left is just a criticism of ALL bundled installers, in which case, pick a number and join the queue.

rspeer 8y ago
HN readers are capable of not using FileZilla, because its admin is actively trying to mislead its users into running malware. Are you associated with FileZilla? Why are you here bringing out the "everyone is doing it" defense?
- ksk 8y ago
  >HN readers are capable of not using FileZilla, because its admin is actively trying to mislead its users into running malware. Then your prior comment makes no sense to me. >Of course there is trustworthy freeware. You can get it using Apt, Yum, Ninite, Chocolatey, Homebrew, or just by going to the actual site of a trustworthy software product. If you don't use the crapware downloader, then the vendor doesn't get any money. I noted that pretty much all freeware is bundled like so, including your "trustworthy" software, on various other download sites. Then the only way the vendor can stay in business is if enough people download the crapware version. >Are you associated with FileZilla? Huh? Why are you asking, and why would it matter? >Why are you here bringing out the "everyone is doing it" defense? I am not. Its your interpretation that's flawed.
  - rspeer 8y ago
    What doesn't make sense? FileZilla is a bad actor who is trying to infect people's computers with malware. Download sites are bad actors who are trying to infect people's computers with malware. People should have all the information they need to avoid malware, so they can make good decisions, such as installing WinSCP from Ninite instead of installing FileZilla by any method. You keep denying that trustworthy free software exists, and yet when anyone points out that it does, you change the topic to something fraud-ridden like download sites. People who cheat on tests believe everyone is cheating on tests. I do not care one bit for your business model. Please go out of business ASAP.
    - ksk 8y ago
      >Such as installing WinSCP from Ninite instead of installing FileZilla by any method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinSCP#Advertisements_in_installer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinSCP#Advertisements_in_insta... >You keep denying that trustworthy free software exists, and yet when anyone points out that it does, you change the topic. People who cheat on tests believe everyone is cheating on tests. You are unable to understand how "trustworthy free software" vendors make money. Rather than wild accusations and hysteria, I'd recommend calm collected analytical thinking.
      - rspeer 8y ago
        It would have been a bad idea to use WinSCP in 2014 also. Yet you'll notice they backed off and have had years to repair their reputation, instead of getting caught a second time and trying to cover it up like FileZilla is doing. I understand how your kind of free software makes money perfectly well. It's not trustworthy in the slightest. You don't need to make money to make a program that copies files. And if you bundle your free software with a scam, you're not making money as a software developer anyway, you're making money as a scammer.
        ksk 8y ago
        You seem very confused. FileZilla wasn't "caught". They openly say that they bundle crapware. Sorry, this is not a productive conversation. Goodbye.