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What is meant is that there are long term health consequences of sleep deprivation and you can’t cancel those effects by oversleeping the next couple days after

What is meant is that there are long term health consequences of sleep deprivation and you can’t cancel those effects by oversleeping the next couple days after an all nighter.

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freehunter 8y ago
I'm not a sleep scientist but it sounds pretty logical to me. If I'm chopping vegetables for dinner and I cut myself with the knife, it takes time to heal. But chances are it's never going to be completely healed. There will be a scar. If I cut myself with a knife then for the next few days I don't cut myself with a knife, the wound will heal but the scar will remain. I can't cut myself one day and then go several days without cutting myself and expect that it somehow cancels out the day I got cut, and I certainly can't say "eh I'll only cut myself on the weekdays and make up for it by not getting cut on the weekends". I'll still have that scar. Brain injuries are too often discounted because you can't see them. If someone was purposefully cutting themselves with a knife we wouldn't think they were cool, we wouldn't celebrate them as heroes in our society, we would try to help them stop injuring themselves. So why do we celebrate people who actively injure their brains? Because we can't see the damage.
- darkerside 8y ago
  We actually do celebrate athletes' physical sacrifices. Think marathon runners pushing across the finish line, or a running back selling out for the touchdown. It's probably something wired into us as human beings. Just a side note. Your analogy is on point and helpful.
  - freehunter 8y ago
    Very good point, thank you.
  - mmt 8y ago
    > We actually do celebrate athletes' physical sacrifices. I'm not certain that's quite accurate. It seems that what's celebrated are their accomplishments and "sacrifices" in the sense of effort and self-denial, but not injuries. The sentiment around brain injuries that professional boxers (and, more recently, American Football players) suffer from isn't what I would characterize as celebratory, for example. Even temporary injuries can be met with disdain by fans of team sports, as it could take the whole team out of the running for that entire season. However, I'm far from intimately familiar with athletics, so I'd genuinely welcome being shown counter-examples.
    - darkerside 8y ago
      That concussion sentiment is very, very recent. Hard hits in football and boxing were absolutely celebrated as a show of dominance. They still are, just with obligatory lip service paid to hoping the player is ok. I don't think disdain is the right word. Disappointment can certainly come into play, but look at any serious injury on the court or the field. What happens when the player is able to limp off, or is even carried off? Applause, sometimes a standing ovation, for the player's physical sacrifice. I believe this is tied into the same primal urges that make us love a compelling war movie (we used to celebrate war much more than we now do as well), or want to work 16 hour days for the chance at striking it rich.
      - mmt 8y ago
        > lip service paid to hoping the player is ok. If we're talking about "celebrating", lip service is all I can think of that fits the bill. People enjoying it in the privacy of their own thoughts isn't the same thing. > look at any serious injury on the court or the field. That's why I was asking for counter-example. I don't have this experience. I was hoping for, possibly, media coverage or maybe fan blog posts or videos. > Applause, sometimes a standing ovation, for the player's physical sacrifice. If I were to witness this from afar, I would have no idea what the applause is for, so, again, I'm looking for that evidence. A more charitable interpretation would be that the applause is due to relief that the injury could be walked away from or even gesture of support in recovery.

What is meant is that there are long term health consequences of sleep deprivation and you can’t cancel those effects by oversleeping the next couple days after an all nighter.

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freehunter 8y ago

I'm not a sleep scientist but it sounds pretty logical to me. If I'm chopping vegetables for dinner and I cut myself with the knife, it takes time to heal. But chances are it's never going to be completely healed. There will be a scar. If I cut myself with a knife then for the next few days I don't cut myself with a knife, the wound will heal but the scar will remain. I can't cut myself one day and then go several days without cutting myself and expect that it somehow cancels out the day I got cut, and I certainly can't say "eh I'll only cut myself on the weekdays and make up for it by not getting cut on the weekends". I'll still have that scar. Brain injuries are too often discounted because you can't see them. If someone was purposefully cutting themselves with a knife we wouldn't think they were cool, we wouldn't celebrate them as heroes in our society, we would try to help them stop injuring themselves. So why do we celebrate people who actively injure their brains? Because we can't see the damage.

darkerside 8y ago
We actually do celebrate athletes' physical sacrifices. Think marathon runners pushing across the finish line, or a running back selling out for the touchdown. It's probably something wired into us as human beings. Just a side note. Your analogy is on point and helpful.
- freehunter 8y ago
  Very good point, thank you.
- mmt 8y ago
  > We actually do celebrate athletes' physical sacrifices. I'm not certain that's quite accurate. It seems that what's celebrated are their accomplishments and "sacrifices" in the sense of effort and self-denial, but not injuries. The sentiment around brain injuries that professional boxers (and, more recently, American Football players) suffer from isn't what I would characterize as celebratory, for example. Even temporary injuries can be met with disdain by fans of team sports, as it could take the whole team out of the running for that entire season. However, I'm far from intimately familiar with athletics, so I'd genuinely welcome being shown counter-examples.
  - darkerside 8y ago
    That concussion sentiment is very, very recent. Hard hits in football and boxing were absolutely celebrated as a show of dominance. They still are, just with obligatory lip service paid to hoping the player is ok. I don't think disdain is the right word. Disappointment can certainly come into play, but look at any serious injury on the court or the field. What happens when the player is able to limp off, or is even carried off? Applause, sometimes a standing ovation, for the player's physical sacrifice. I believe this is tied into the same primal urges that make us love a compelling war movie (we used to celebrate war much more than we now do as well), or want to work 16 hour days for the chance at striking it rich.
    - mmt 8y ago
      > lip service paid to hoping the player is ok. If we're talking about "celebrating", lip service is all I can think of that fits the bill. People enjoying it in the privacy of their own thoughts isn't the same thing. > look at any serious injury on the court or the field. That's why I was asking for counter-example. I don't have this experience. I was hoping for, possibly, media coverage or maybe fan blog posts or videos. > Applause, sometimes a standing ovation, for the player's physical sacrifice. If I were to witness this from afar, I would have no idea what the applause is for, so, again, I'm looking for that evidence. A more charitable interpretation would be that the applause is due to relief that the injury could be walked away from or even gesture of support in recovery.