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Strange that you mention XMPP as you can have all that (including mobile - Conversations) plus end-to-end encryption (OTR, OMEMO, PGP - take your pick), message

Strange that you mention XMPP as you can have all that (including mobile - Conversations) plus end-to-end encryption (OTR, OMEMO, PGP - take your pick), message carbon copies and a server-side message archive that synchronizes all your clients. But hey, XMPP is passé so everyone prefers a vendor lock-in.

dmitriid 8y ago
It's not strange. Because Conversations exists only on Android (and the server you connect to has to support all the dozens of XEPs many of which are still in experimental stage). So, with Conversations I'm locked into a single client on a single platform. Yay, XMPP :-/ (There's no desktop client I'm aware of that supports Conversations' features). Oh, and I can have that only if I go through the trouble of setting up all the moving pieces myself. Because I really really really want to spend my time picking which flavour of end-to-end encryption to use (in which clients?) and how to make sure that a server-side searchable archive exists (accessible through which client??) or that media and files reach even offline clients (which clients???) etc.
- puzzlingcaptcha 8y ago
  You make it sound harder than it is. Server-wise you want either ejabberd or prosody for the latest features. Yes, you need to set up a server once and read some docs, as with every self-hosted service. And if you don't care about encryption enough to read about it you can just enforce TLS for client-to-server and server-to-server connections. On the desktop, Gajim (win/linux/bsd/mac) supports all of the XEPs I mentioned. There are clients for iOS too but I don't know how they work as I don't own any Apple products. Of course, if you'd rather spend money than time hoping that your provider won't have your conversations stolen, misused or disappear with them that's your prerogative too.
  - dmitriid 8y ago
    > Server-wise you want either > You need to set up > clients for iOS too [nope, no clients beyond the very basic abandoned ones — dmitriid] So.... Why would I want any of that? To feel "not-normal" "above average", as this entire thread seems to imply? > stolen misused yada yada Let's leave these scary strories to the kids, shall we? We're supposed to be all grown ups here.
    - puzzlingcaptcha 8y ago
      I don't understand why you pretend to be obtuse but it's clear you've already made your mind why.
      - dmitriid 8y ago
        The only ones being obtuse here are the delusional tech bros who are oh so sure that they are better than the "average" "normal" people.

dmitriid 8y ago

It's not strange. Because Conversations exists only on Android (and the server you connect to has to support all the dozens of XEPs many of which are still in experimental stage). So, with Conversations I'm locked into a single client on a single platform. Yay, XMPP :-/ (There's no desktop client I'm aware of that supports Conversations' features). Oh, and I can have that only if I go through the trouble of setting up all the moving pieces myself. Because I really really really want to spend my time picking which flavour of end-to-end encryption to use (in which clients?) and how to make sure that a server-side searchable archive exists (accessible through which client??) or that media and files reach even offline clients (which clients???) etc.

puzzlingcaptcha 8y ago
You make it sound harder than it is. Server-wise you want either ejabberd or prosody for the latest features. Yes, you need to set up a server once and read some docs, as with every self-hosted service. And if you don't care about encryption enough to read about it you can just enforce TLS for client-to-server and server-to-server connections. On the desktop, Gajim (win/linux/bsd/mac) supports all of the XEPs I mentioned. There are clients for iOS too but I don't know how they work as I don't own any Apple products. Of course, if you'd rather spend money than time hoping that your provider won't have your conversations stolen, misused or disappear with them that's your prerogative too.
- dmitriid 8y ago
  > Server-wise you want either > You need to set up > clients for iOS too [nope, no clients beyond the very basic abandoned ones — dmitriid] So.... Why would I want any of that? To feel "not-normal" "above average", as this entire thread seems to imply? > stolen misused yada yada Let's leave these scary strories to the kids, shall we? We're supposed to be all grown ups here.
  - puzzlingcaptcha 8y ago
    I don't understand why you pretend to be obtuse but it's clear you've already made your mind why.
    - dmitriid 8y ago
      The only ones being obtuse here are the delusional tech bros who are oh so sure that they are better than the "average" "normal" people.