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Paying customers. Specifically, the person who signs off on Gitlab at a company is generally some kind of project manager so they value project management feat

Paying customers. Specifically, the person who signs off on Gitlab at a company is generally some kind of project manager so they value project management features.

Qwertie 8y ago
All the extra features is the main selling point of GitLab. It's the reason you use it over GitHub because GitLab is more than just repo hosting and issue tracking.
- jlengrand 8y ago
  That, and the fact that you can self-host
  - manigandham 8y ago
    Github has Enterprise edition for self-hosting: https://enterprise.github.com/home https://enterprise.github.com/home
    - pmontra 8y ago
      At $2,500 per 10 users / year [1], vs the GitLab Community Edition download at https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/ https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/ (it looks like a MIT license) Maybe it's worth the price. Did anybody used both of them and is willing to tell us how they compare? [1] https://enterprise.github.com/features#pricing https://enterprise.github.com/features#pricing
  - BjoernKW 8y ago
    You can self-host GitHub, too: https://enterprise.github.com/home https://enterprise.github.com/home
    - jlengrand 8y ago
      You can, at entreprise prices indeed. Which is out of reach for most SMEs out there. This is IMHO a llarg part of what made Gitlab successful.
      - BjoernKW 8y ago
        The price is roughly $21 per user per month, which isn't really all that enterprisey, given you have at least 10 users, that is. I don't know exactly how GitHub Enterprise and the GitLab Community Edition compare in that regard but aspects such as usability, maintainability and updatability are much more important than saving $21 per user per month. So, yes if your company has a lot fewer than 10 Git users GitLab probably is the best option. In every other case, it depends and the pricing advantage becomes less pronounced.
        jlengrand 8y ago
        Sure, Github definitely has worth. I use both myself. But for a petty price, Gitlab comes with a Kanban board, a release management system, a (free) CI tool, and all of the newer features I don't have experience with ( the whole Kubernetes integration lately? ). (So no need for paid travis, Asana, Jira, ....). Adding to that that most cloud providers offer ready to use images with Gitlab installed, I understand what it becomes such a 'default choice' for new installs lately.
        snappycomeback 8y ago
        Compare apples to apples, at least. The paid GutLab plans are as expensive or more than GitHub. And they keep raising their prices too cuz they aren’t making enough money to survive. The big difference for us (Apple) is performance and reliability. GitLab isn’t reliable and GitHub Enterprise is rock solid with whatever we throw at it. That’s better than a bunch of features (to my team, at least).
        sytse 8y ago
chiefalchemist 8y ago
Ultimately, I think, Git is a PM tool. Its benefits are __not__ exclusive to programming / code. The future for Git is much broader. GitLab is likely positioning, leading, and leaning into that future.
- whatshisface 8y ago
  Git has never been anything other than a project management tool - who do you think had to organize code changes in the 1980s?
  - chiefalchemist 8y ago
    Then? Those (other) tools? That workflow? It was for version control. Today? The needs are different, and Git needs a better wrapper to do that. Thus, GL's emphasis on less code-centric (more PM-y) features.
philipov 8y ago
In all the scenarios I've been involved in implementing a new version control solution, there are already existing project management and issue tracking solutions in place, and appearing to want to replace them is a hurdle to be overcome rather than selling point. We use Gitlab, and the CI and Issue tracking features all sit idle, but better integration with Jira would be valuable, cause ain't no way we're switching issue trackers.
grandinj 8y ago
Replying to myself. Oh, I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just pointing out how the incentives line up with the outcomes :-)

Paying customers. Specifically, the person who signs off on Gitlab at a company is generally some kind of project manager so they value project management features.

Qwertie 8y ago

All the extra features is the main selling point of GitLab. It's the reason you use it over GitHub because GitLab is more than just repo hosting and issue tracking.

jlengrand 8y ago
That, and the fact that you can self-host
- manigandham 8y ago
  Github has Enterprise edition for self-hosting: https://enterprise.github.com/home https://enterprise.github.com/home
  - pmontra 8y ago
    At $2,500 per 10 users / year [1], vs the GitLab Community Edition download at https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/ https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/ (it looks like a MIT license) Maybe it's worth the price. Did anybody used both of them and is willing to tell us how they compare? [1] https://enterprise.github.com/features#pricing https://enterprise.github.com/features#pricing
- BjoernKW 8y ago
  You can self-host GitHub, too: https://enterprise.github.com/home https://enterprise.github.com/home
  - jlengrand 8y ago
    You can, at entreprise prices indeed. Which is out of reach for most SMEs out there. This is IMHO a llarg part of what made Gitlab successful.
    - BjoernKW 8y ago
      The price is roughly $21 per user per month, which isn't really all that enterprisey, given you have at least 10 users, that is. I don't know exactly how GitHub Enterprise and the GitLab Community Edition compare in that regard but aspects such as usability, maintainability and updatability are much more important than saving $21 per user per month. So, yes if your company has a lot fewer than 10 Git users GitLab probably is the best option. In every other case, it depends and the pricing advantage becomes less pronounced.
      - jlengrand 8y ago
        Sure, Github definitely has worth. I use both myself. But for a petty price, Gitlab comes with a Kanban board, a release management system, a (free) CI tool, and all of the newer features I don't have experience with ( the whole Kubernetes integration lately? ). (So no need for paid travis, Asana, Jira, ....). Adding to that that most cloud providers offer ready to use images with Gitlab installed, I understand what it becomes such a 'default choice' for new installs lately.
        snappycomeback 8y ago
        Compare apples to apples, at least. The paid GutLab plans are as expensive or more than GitHub. And they keep raising their prices too cuz they aren’t making enough money to survive. The big difference for us (Apple) is performance and reliability. GitLab isn’t reliable and GitHub Enterprise is rock solid with whatever we throw at it. That’s better than a bunch of features (to my team, at least).
        sytse 8y ago

chiefalchemist 8y ago

Ultimately, I think, Git is a PM tool. Its benefits are __not__ exclusive to programming / code. The future for Git is much broader. GitLab is likely positioning, leading, and leaning into that future.

whatshisface 8y ago
Git has never been anything other than a project management tool - who do you think had to organize code changes in the 1980s?
- chiefalchemist 8y ago
  Then? Those (other) tools? That workflow? It was for version control. Today? The needs are different, and Git needs a better wrapper to do that. Thus, GL's emphasis on less code-centric (more PM-y) features.

philipov 8y ago

In all the scenarios I've been involved in implementing a new version control solution, there are already existing project management and issue tracking solutions in place, and appearing to want to replace them is a hurdle to be overcome rather than selling point. We use Gitlab, and the CI and Issue tracking features all sit idle, but better integration with Jira would be valuable, cause ain't no way we're switching issue trackers.

grandinj 8y ago

Replying to myself. Oh, I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just pointing out how the incentives line up with the outcomes :-)