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Bitbucket Joins Atlassian

136 points by DVassallo 16y ago

mml 16y ago
Too bad, hg and bb are great, but Atlassian makes abominable tools. On the upside, my account is now cheaper (free).
- tvon 16y ago
  Can you expand on your Atlassian comment? I'd like to know more about them.
- chrisbroadfoot 16y ago
  Like what? (Disclaimer: I used to work for Atlassian)
  - mml 16y ago
    ok, mea culpa. i've only used jira and confluence, along with a few plugins (the notably awful jira "agile" plugin). over the span of a number of years, myself, and everyone else in the vicinity (at multiple companies) hated it with a passion. your mileage may vary. i fear for bitbucket.
    - ghshephard 16y ago
      Hated Jira and Confluence? Compared to what? Given that I find Jira to be perhaps the finest issue tracker I've ever worked with (compared to Remedy, Vantive, Scopus, RT, bugzilla and FogBugz), I would genuinely love to hear what tool you think is better than Jira? Particularly now that they can do advanced searching with JQL (Circa 4.x), I don't know of any tool that compares, particularly out of the box. And, while sharepoint is a little more feature rich, and has better Office/IE Integration than Confluence, it also doesn't play particularly well with alternative platforms like firefox - I'd like to hear what your preferred Wiki platform is. I'm kind of a TWiki bigot personally, but if I had to drop a new wiki on a for-profit company tomorrow, it would probably be confluence.
      - pufuwozu 16y ago
        You only mentioned "for-profit" companies. If money is the problem, Confluence is free for non-profits: http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/licensing.jsp#nonprofit http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/licensing.jsp#n...
        ghshephard 16y ago
        Right, thanks for pointing that out. I was actually coming at it from a different angle - Atlassian's support, and the ecosystem (at least in the valley) around confluence, make it (in my opinion, I'm sure others might differ) a better fit for companies that are willing to pay money than a tool like TWiki. It's not as big a difference today, though, then it was 6 years ago. But, the thing is, Atlassian almost gives away their software (compared to what other companies charge) - so, to some degree, it's almost like comparing two free software packages with each other. Confluence's real competition is actually sharepoint, more than it is TWiki.
  - jshen 16y ago
    The search in confluence is absolutely horrible. What use is a wiki for a 1000+ people company if it's not searchable. Jira, and maybe this is my companies setup, takes way too many clicks to do simple things like reprioritize tickets. This could just be my preference but I like to treat tickets as an ordered list/stack with the most important at the top.
  - brandon 16y ago
    I'm a fan of Confluence and JIRA from a user perspective, but oh man, they are terrible products to install and administer. For instance, we're an Atlassian shop through and through; we also use Fisheye, Crucible and Bamboo. As such, we wanted to tie all of these apps up to Atlassian's SSO solution (Crowd). Take a look at the integration guide for JIRA¹. The process can require finding missing JARs, editing Java property files, commenting and uncommenting forests of XML, and then you're still subject to a bunch of arbitrary restrictions around group membership (super fun when paired with AD). The whole thing feels like an afterthought that was never given the respect of a proper feature. I personally get the impression that Atlassian's product codebases are pretty fragmented as a result of their grow-via-acquisitions strategy. On the front end, the products are good looking and usable. On the back end, things are a mess. Still, it's my job to run the mess, so I'll keep slogging. ¹ http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CROWD/Integrating+Crowd+with+Atlassian+JIRA http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CROWD/Integrating+Cr...
    - daveoflynn 16y ago
      Yup, the JIRA-Crowd integration experience sucks. It'll be fixed in JIRA 4.3 and Confluence 3.5. What group membership restrictions do you mean? (edit: I'm the Product Manager responsible for Crowd).
      - leftcoaster 16y ago
        Crowd never should have happened. For 3 (or was it 4 or 5?) years, jira users have voted for an enhancement to drive jira groups out of LDAP. The reward for this loyalty? Crowd: a whole new product, with a separate, spendy license. Bizarrely, Confluence is capable of doing this LDAP integration without Crowd. But rather than port that over to Jira and make some users happy, Atlassian decided to take another bite out of their wallets instead. I actually bought Crowd, out of desperation to solve the problem, but dropped it after a year. Trivially obvious features weren't implemented. It ended up being easier to just script what we needed ourselves. And don't even get me started on how painful it is to upgrade Atlassian products. shudder
        16y ago
- nadnerb 16y ago
  Do you use Atlassian tools? We use Confluence and Jira (especially with Greenhopper) on the project I am currently working on. They are not perfect but I would hardly call them abominable.
  - dekz 16y ago
    For my first major corporate project this year I looked into many different Bug tracking tools. Tried many open source, trac, redmine, but nothing was as polished as JIRA. I really enjoy using JIRA (note, 1 user project). They also seem like an enjoyable company to work for.
  - gry 16y ago
    I currently use JIRA with Greenhopper and Bitbucket. We're currently a team of 15. My Atlassian experience is only with JIRA as a developer. I'm with mml. The user interface drive me nuts. It gets in the way of me communicating with the team. The dashboard reports things like time changes. "gry changed the Time Spent to '13920' on FOO-1000" I don't care how many seconds someone spent on an issue. If you have to configure a humane interface, something is wrong. This is a small example. It takes my locus of attention away from doing what I'm paid to do, write software. I need to communicate with the team and ask questions in order to get more information to complete an issue. I'm still responsible, yet our workflow requires us to assign the issue to someone in order for the question to be answered, then assigned back. It feels like I'm shuffling tickets rather than communicating around a ticket. The emails sent aren't humane. Don't get me going. Yet, I can't reply to a JIRA ticket via email as a standard install? The gist is, after using JIRA daily for seven months, I'm struggling. It feels like the user interface reflects the data model and I don't want to learn it. I get it, it's powerful. But why introduce how complex it is right away? There is no carrot. There's a carrot pile and when you're building velocity, it's not fun to jump over.
    - nadnerb 16y ago
      I think the problems you are talking about are configuration related. If you find your workflow requires you to assign an issue for a question to be answered before assigning it back it sounds like a workflow issue, not a problem with the tool. We use Greenhopper primarily due to having teams located in different states, working on the same project. Having two physical story walls is too hard in this situation and Greenhopper is a nice collaboration tool that solves this problem.
- karanbhangui 16y ago
  It's definitely not as sexy as something from 37 Signals, but it sure as hell is more useful.
- pquerna 16y ago
  I don't believe its that Atlassian tools and products are always 'great', but there aren't many competitors for many of their functions that do anything close. Definitely not on the open source side; And other commercial tools are generally even more terrible. They aren't great, but they are better than the rest.
  - mmacaulay 16y ago
    As a Rally user, I must agree.
    - darrenkopp 16y ago
      nothing could be worse than ontime.
- ianb 16y ago
  They seem to be kind of enterprisey, which kind of makes sense because (a) you can get paid to make enterprisey stuff, and (b) no one likes enterprisey stuff so no one wants to make it without being paid. And usually enterprises ask for terrible features. I just hope Bitbucket doesn't get enterprisey.
- calloc 16y ago
  JIRA is one of the worst bug tracking/task tracking tools I have ever had the displeasure of working with.
  - chromosundrift 16y ago
    What do you prefer and why? (I work for Atlassian on JIRA)
zalew 16y ago
All accounts now have unlimited private and public repositories and we've removed disk-space restrictions! Your new plan is completely free, forever. Made my day! I hope this cooperation will result in a more dynamic progress of BB.
chrisbroadfoot 16y ago
Mmmm... Unlimited private repositories. Is this enough for me to move to hg from git?!?!?!
- slig 16y ago
  Seriously, 6usd/month gets you an unlimited repositories(up to 2 GB) git/hg/svn on RepositoryHosting.com .
  - cmelbye 16y ago
    It's Trac though, nothing compared to BitBucket.
- shykes 16y ago
  I'd say getting an occasion to use hg is just icing on the cake.
jnoller 16y ago
Wow, this is awesome (I hope!) news for Jesper and the rest of the bitbucket team. I hope Atlassian treats them well - it should be interesting to see what they do with things.
- pufuwozu 16y ago
  Integration with Atlassian's tools should be very exciting. For a while now, I've been thinking that Atlassian should try a code hosting service and integrate their code review, code coverage and source exploration tools. Hopefully it works out as well as I imagined it would. I also want to point out Atlassian likes both Mercurial and Git: http://www.atlassian.com/summit/2010/presentations/development-speed/dvcs-systems-in-the-enterprise-git-mercurial.jsp http://www.atlassian.com/summit/2010/presentations/developme... Disclaimer: I'll be working for Atlassian next year (and now I'm hoping to work on Bitbucket sometime).
  - riffraff 16y ago
    hear hear! For what is worth, I don't understand why they don't integrate with existing projects as a premium service. Not only bitbucket but github, patch-tag etc.
rileywatkins 16y ago
I don't have too much of a preference between Git and Mercurial, but the lack of even a single free private repository on Githib makes BitBucket a more favorable option for my numerous casual projects.
- KevBurnsJr 16y ago
  Numerous casual projects? Host them yourself by tunneling git over ssh. It's easier than you think. I just made a tool to help streamline the process. http://grit.hackyhack.net http://grit.hackyhack.net
  - anthonyb 16y ago
    That helps with the code hosting, but what about a wiki? Bug Tracker? Communicating with other devs? A bitbucket or github repo helps with all of these things too.
    - KevBurnsJr 16y ago
      Absolutely. But for most casual projects, YAGNI.
      - anthonyb 16y ago
        You'd have to be pretty casual not to want a bug tracker - even for completely internal, non-public facing, one dev projects they're invaluable for keeping things straight, tracking todos, etc. That said, I think there's definitely a use case for some sort of bug tracker/wiki which can be embedded in a repository, a'la Fossil. Perhaps flat files rather than SQLite though, so you can track changes in your repository. Not sure how you'd get changes in though, other than via a pull request.
        brendano 16y ago
        http://ditz.rubyforge.org/ http://ditz.rubyforge.org/
dmpayton 16y ago
And here I was all set to migrate my projects to Github tonight. I think I'll stick around a bit longer and see what Atlassian can do to improve BitBucket. On a side note, I paid my monthly subscription fee just a few days ago, but now everyone is on the same (basic, free) plan. Is that money just out the window?
- amock 16y ago
  Why don't you ask them for a refund and see what happens?
- Timothee 16y ago
  Does that mean you were going from hg to git? Any specific reason for that? Any opinion on the two? (I've been using git for a little bit but wonder if Mercurial could be more powerful but less popular, and that I'd be missing out)
  - dmpayton 16y ago
    I initially decided on HG because I'm a Python developer, and a lot of other people in the Python community seem to recommend it (plus, HG is written in Python). Bitbucket had a free plan with a private repo, so I signed up. About the same time, my employer started migrating from Subversion to Git. For me, the two features I miss most in HG are the staging area and cheap local branching. There plugins that give you rough equivalents, but I haven't used them and it's much nicer to have what you need out of the box.
    - mgeisler 16y ago
      Mercurial does come with everything out of the box in the form of standard extensions that you just need to enable if you need them: * mq is a "staging area on steroids": http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/08/a-git-users-guide-to-mercurial-queues/ http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/08/a-git-users-guide-to-mercu... * bookmarks lets you name your cheaper-than-Git branches: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/02/mercurial-workflows-branch-as-needed/ http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/02/mercurial-workflows-branch...
alexgartrell 16y ago
This is not totally unlike the combination of fogbugz and kiln. I wonder if this means anything to Fog Creek, and if any of them will comment on it.
- gecko 16y ago
  [I was a co-founder and am a primary developer of Kiln.] Speaking purely for myself, I don't view Bitbucket as a competitor, to be honest. It's a great tool, but serves a very different purpose. When it comes to social code, Bitbucket's great. It's Mercurial's equivalent to GitHub, and it fills that role awesomely. I have an account on there where I post stuff I want to be public, including some open-source parts of Kiln's source code, such as our new kbfiles extension. Kiln, on the other hand, is really focused a lot more on making DVCS a really great experience for companies. A lot of the stuff that makes GitHub and Bitbucket great--the whole social experience--kind of gets in the way of just getting stuff done in a corporate environment. You still want the ability to have personal repos and branches and everything, but you also want really tight integration with bug tracking, really easy ways to follow everything going on with a project in the forms of activity feeds and comprehensive search, APIs to manage everything, a really solid code discussion system so that your developers can talk about code and make sure it's really great before it gets integrated, the ability to quickly answer questions like, "What bugs were open in this point release?" and "Have I contacted customers affected by this to let them know it's fixed?" Kiln and FogBugz together provide those things right now. I'm sure Bitbucket and Jira could provide that functionality eventually, but it's not what they do right now. And I think that's fine: we need a service that provides really great social tools, and Bitbucket's that. And we need a DVCS hosting solution that's awesome for companies, and Kiln's that. Given that something like 90% of developers still use centralized SCMs, there's piles and piles of room for both of us to coexist peacefully.
cmelbye 16y ago
Interesting, unlimited repositories and disk space. I wonder if GitHub will attempt to compete with that, their plans have only gotten worse lately.
- rimantas 16y ago
  Number of repositories and disk space is not the reason I use GitHub.
  - lars512 16y ago
    It was a large reason I didn't choose GitHub. Who wants to manage and prune their minor projects to fit into arbitrary limits?
    - cmelbye 16y ago
      This. We routinely have to decide which old repositories we can delete when we want to make a new one, and it's getting old. We don't want to pay $25 more a month just for a few more repositories.
jshen 16y ago
I hope my company doesn't switch from git to mercurial now since we use atlassian for jira and confluence :/
markstahler 16y ago
I used to be a Bitbucket customer but moved to repositoryhosting.com a few months ago. This is great news as I will likely return to Bitbucket. I stopped using the service this year because I needed many small repos (<15mb) and didn't want to pay upwards of $20-30 per month. Repositoryhosting.com offers unlimited repositories for $6 flat per month. If you require additional space you pay for that. I really don't get the pricing plans for companies like Bitbucket and Github. $5-10 per month for personal projects is fine but up past that? Do these companies think for single user accounts all these repositories are active at once? How much more does it cost Github to store an additional repository for me (not to even mention gists which are stored as repos) because they are charging $1 per month to backup a few mbs. I would love to know the average repo size.
- ghshephard 16y ago
  Look at it from a different angle - how many customers out there require code repositories? Now, let's say you want to have a 20-30 employee company, with a likely $3 million salary overhead and $10-15 Million dollar exit in 5-7 years. How much do you have to charge per customer to hit that target? Remember, you have to cover Salary + Hosting/Hardware Overhead. The most likely response would be "Why would someone expect to make that kind of money off of hosting repositories?" My answer would be "Why would you expect a First Class Entrepreneur / Founding Team to commit their time to a endeavor that didn't have that class of pay out?"
davidwparker 16y ago
Congrats BitBucket folks. My $0.02... I wonder if GitHub have had any offers to be bought out? It seems like they would, and they are continuously growing in personnel, so they can't be doing too badly. I'm also surprised that they said Atlassian will offer private repos for free forever. Forever seems like a pretty big promise, IMO.
squidsoup 16y ago
One amusing thing only tangentially related to this - the unofficial mercurial plugin for Jira has been broken (in Windows) for months. We've been considering buying FishEye just to get decent hg integration!
billc 16y ago
I am not a fan of Atlassian tools. But I like Bitbucket a lot. So my only hope it that the graft improves the host.
- jespern 16y ago
  Indeed. We won't be seeing any graft vs. host, at the very least.
swilliams 16y ago
Unlimited private repos for free? That is mighty impressive, and stacks up very well against github (especially since I prefer hg over git).
- hsuresh 16y ago
  I use assembla for free private git repos. I have several private repos over there.
- uggedal 16y ago
  http://codebasehq.com http://codebasehq.com also offers unlimited private repos (hg, git, and svn), but not for free. They have total size restrictions as well.
  - ableal 16y ago
    I don't think it's really necessary to downvote a comment just because it mentions a paid service. Some users over at the reddit discussion (http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dka7n/bitbucket_now_has_unlimited_public_and_private/ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dka7n/bitbucket...) spoke well of the 6USD/month at http://repositoryhosting.com/ http://repositoryhosting.com/ Also, clicky for the free SVN at assembla: http://offers.assembla.com/free-subversion-hosting/ http://offers.assembla.com/free-subversion-hosting/
    - rs 16y ago
      There's http://xp-dev.com/ http://xp-dev.com/ as well that has unlimited repositories and users, only pay for the space that you use (disclaimer: own and run xp-dev.com)
steilpass 16y ago
I will keep my private account at github. Its my way of saying thanks for their free open source hosting.
krosaen 16y ago
I prefer mercurial over git, but being on bitbucket is starting to feel like being on Orkut when everyone else is on Facebook. Even with this announcement I'll probably start all new personal projects on github for the better visibility and collaboration with the hacker community.
- ergo14 16y ago
  Yeah well... thanks to people like you bitbucket will struggle to gain bigger community. Why not start projects on bitbucket, and then if it will not work out, move to github? I DID get help from other people and commited my patches to some projects on bitbucket(also did on git). It's not like you wont get help on bb - its just a tool in the end.
ergo14 16y ago
One thing i'm hoping for are better community building tools on bitbucket for projects to promote themselves. This is the only part missing to get a bigger community

136 points by DVassallo 16y ago

mml 16y ago

Too bad, hg and bb are great, but Atlassian makes abominable tools. On the upside, my account is now cheaper (free).

tvon 16y ago
Can you expand on your Atlassian comment? I'd like to know more about them.
chrisbroadfoot 16y ago
Like what? (Disclaimer: I used to work for Atlassian)
- mml 16y ago
  ok, mea culpa. i've only used jira and confluence, along with a few plugins (the notably awful jira "agile" plugin). over the span of a number of years, myself, and everyone else in the vicinity (at multiple companies) hated it with a passion. your mileage may vary. i fear for bitbucket.
  - ghshephard 16y ago
    Hated Jira and Confluence? Compared to what? Given that I find Jira to be perhaps the finest issue tracker I've ever worked with (compared to Remedy, Vantive, Scopus, RT, bugzilla and FogBugz), I would genuinely love to hear what tool you think is better than Jira? Particularly now that they can do advanced searching with JQL (Circa 4.x), I don't know of any tool that compares, particularly out of the box. And, while sharepoint is a little more feature rich, and has better Office/IE Integration than Confluence, it also doesn't play particularly well with alternative platforms like firefox - I'd like to hear what your preferred Wiki platform is. I'm kind of a TWiki bigot personally, but if I had to drop a new wiki on a for-profit company tomorrow, it would probably be confluence.
    - pufuwozu 16y ago
      You only mentioned "for-profit" companies. If money is the problem, Confluence is free for non-profits: http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/licensing.jsp#nonprofit http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/licensing.jsp#n...
      - ghshephard 16y ago
        Right, thanks for pointing that out. I was actually coming at it from a different angle - Atlassian's support, and the ecosystem (at least in the valley) around confluence, make it (in my opinion, I'm sure others might differ) a better fit for companies that are willing to pay money than a tool like TWiki. It's not as big a difference today, though, then it was 6 years ago. But, the thing is, Atlassian almost gives away their software (compared to what other companies charge) - so, to some degree, it's almost like comparing two free software packages with each other. Confluence's real competition is actually sharepoint, more than it is TWiki.
- jshen 16y ago
  The search in confluence is absolutely horrible. What use is a wiki for a 1000+ people company if it's not searchable. Jira, and maybe this is my companies setup, takes way too many clicks to do simple things like reprioritize tickets. This could just be my preference but I like to treat tickets as an ordered list/stack with the most important at the top.
- brandon 16y ago
  I'm a fan of Confluence and JIRA from a user perspective, but oh man, they are terrible products to install and administer. For instance, we're an Atlassian shop through and through; we also use Fisheye, Crucible and Bamboo. As such, we wanted to tie all of these apps up to Atlassian's SSO solution (Crowd). Take a look at the integration guide for JIRA¹. The process can require finding missing JARs, editing Java property files, commenting and uncommenting forests of XML, and then you're still subject to a bunch of arbitrary restrictions around group membership (super fun when paired with AD). The whole thing feels like an afterthought that was never given the respect of a proper feature. I personally get the impression that Atlassian's product codebases are pretty fragmented as a result of their grow-via-acquisitions strategy. On the front end, the products are good looking and usable. On the back end, things are a mess. Still, it's my job to run the mess, so I'll keep slogging. ¹ http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CROWD/Integrating+Crowd+with+Atlassian+JIRA http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CROWD/Integrating+Cr...
  - daveoflynn 16y ago
    Yup, the JIRA-Crowd integration experience sucks. It'll be fixed in JIRA 4.3 and Confluence 3.5. What group membership restrictions do you mean? (edit: I'm the Product Manager responsible for Crowd).
    - leftcoaster 16y ago
      Crowd never should have happened. For 3 (or was it 4 or 5?) years, jira users have voted for an enhancement to drive jira groups out of LDAP. The reward for this loyalty? Crowd: a whole new product, with a separate, spendy license. Bizarrely, Confluence is capable of doing this LDAP integration without Crowd. But rather than port that over to Jira and make some users happy, Atlassian decided to take another bite out of their wallets instead. I actually bought Crowd, out of desperation to solve the problem, but dropped it after a year. Trivially obvious features weren't implemented. It ended up being easier to just script what we needed ourselves. And don't even get me started on how painful it is to upgrade Atlassian products. shudder
      - 16y ago
nadnerb 16y ago
Do you use Atlassian tools? We use Confluence and Jira (especially with Greenhopper) on the project I am currently working on. They are not perfect but I would hardly call them abominable.
- dekz 16y ago
  For my first major corporate project this year I looked into many different Bug tracking tools. Tried many open source, trac, redmine, but nothing was as polished as JIRA. I really enjoy using JIRA (note, 1 user project). They also seem like an enjoyable company to work for.
- gry 16y ago
  I currently use JIRA with Greenhopper and Bitbucket. We're currently a team of 15. My Atlassian experience is only with JIRA as a developer. I'm with mml. The user interface drive me nuts. It gets in the way of me communicating with the team. The dashboard reports things like time changes. "gry changed the Time Spent to '13920' on FOO-1000" I don't care how many seconds someone spent on an issue. If you have to configure a humane interface, something is wrong. This is a small example. It takes my locus of attention away from doing what I'm paid to do, write software. I need to communicate with the team and ask questions in order to get more information to complete an issue. I'm still responsible, yet our workflow requires us to assign the issue to someone in order for the question to be answered, then assigned back. It feels like I'm shuffling tickets rather than communicating around a ticket. The emails sent aren't humane. Don't get me going. Yet, I can't reply to a JIRA ticket via email as a standard install? The gist is, after using JIRA daily for seven months, I'm struggling. It feels like the user interface reflects the data model and I don't want to learn it. I get it, it's powerful. But why introduce how complex it is right away? There is no carrot. There's a carrot pile and when you're building velocity, it's not fun to jump over.
  - nadnerb 16y ago
    I think the problems you are talking about are configuration related. If you find your workflow requires you to assign an issue for a question to be answered before assigning it back it sounds like a workflow issue, not a problem with the tool. We use Greenhopper primarily due to having teams located in different states, working on the same project. Having two physical story walls is too hard in this situation and Greenhopper is a nice collaboration tool that solves this problem.
karanbhangui 16y ago
It's definitely not as sexy as something from 37 Signals, but it sure as hell is more useful.
pquerna 16y ago
I don't believe its that Atlassian tools and products are always 'great', but there aren't many competitors for many of their functions that do anything close. Definitely not on the open source side; And other commercial tools are generally even more terrible. They aren't great, but they are better than the rest.
- mmacaulay 16y ago
  As a Rally user, I must agree.
  - darrenkopp 16y ago
    nothing could be worse than ontime.
ianb 16y ago
They seem to be kind of enterprisey, which kind of makes sense because (a) you can get paid to make enterprisey stuff, and (b) no one likes enterprisey stuff so no one wants to make it without being paid. And usually enterprises ask for terrible features. I just hope Bitbucket doesn't get enterprisey.
calloc 16y ago
JIRA is one of the worst bug tracking/task tracking tools I have ever had the displeasure of working with.
- chromosundrift 16y ago
  What do you prefer and why? (I work for Atlassian on JIRA)

zalew 16y ago

All accounts now have unlimited private and public repositories and we've removed disk-space restrictions! Your new plan is completely free, forever. Made my day! I hope this cooperation will result in a more dynamic progress of BB.

chrisbroadfoot 16y ago

Mmmm... Unlimited private repositories. Is this enough for me to move to hg from git?!?!?!

slig 16y ago
Seriously, 6usd/month gets you an unlimited repositories(up to 2 GB) git/hg/svn on RepositoryHosting.com .
- cmelbye 16y ago
  It's Trac though, nothing compared to BitBucket.
shykes 16y ago
I'd say getting an occasion to use hg is just icing on the cake.

jnoller 16y ago

Wow, this is awesome (I hope!) news for Jesper and the rest of the bitbucket team. I hope Atlassian treats them well - it should be interesting to see what they do with things.

pufuwozu 16y ago
Integration with Atlassian's tools should be very exciting. For a while now, I've been thinking that Atlassian should try a code hosting service and integrate their code review, code coverage and source exploration tools. Hopefully it works out as well as I imagined it would. I also want to point out Atlassian likes both Mercurial and Git: http://www.atlassian.com/summit/2010/presentations/development-speed/dvcs-systems-in-the-enterprise-git-mercurial.jsp http://www.atlassian.com/summit/2010/presentations/developme... Disclaimer: I'll be working for Atlassian next year (and now I'm hoping to work on Bitbucket sometime).
- riffraff 16y ago
  hear hear! For what is worth, I don't understand why they don't integrate with existing projects as a premium service. Not only bitbucket but github, patch-tag etc.

rileywatkins 16y ago

I don't have too much of a preference between Git and Mercurial, but the lack of even a single free private repository on Githib makes BitBucket a more favorable option for my numerous casual projects.

KevBurnsJr 16y ago
Numerous casual projects? Host them yourself by tunneling git over ssh. It's easier than you think. I just made a tool to help streamline the process. http://grit.hackyhack.net http://grit.hackyhack.net
- anthonyb 16y ago
  That helps with the code hosting, but what about a wiki? Bug Tracker? Communicating with other devs? A bitbucket or github repo helps with all of these things too.
  - KevBurnsJr 16y ago
    Absolutely. But for most casual projects, YAGNI.
    - anthonyb 16y ago
      You'd have to be pretty casual not to want a bug tracker - even for completely internal, non-public facing, one dev projects they're invaluable for keeping things straight, tracking todos, etc. That said, I think there's definitely a use case for some sort of bug tracker/wiki which can be embedded in a repository, a'la Fossil. Perhaps flat files rather than SQLite though, so you can track changes in your repository. Not sure how you'd get changes in though, other than via a pull request.
      - brendano 16y ago
        http://ditz.rubyforge.org/ http://ditz.rubyforge.org/

dmpayton 16y ago

And here I was all set to migrate my projects to Github tonight. I think I'll stick around a bit longer and see what Atlassian can do to improve BitBucket. On a side note, I paid my monthly subscription fee just a few days ago, but now everyone is on the same (basic, free) plan. Is that money just out the window?

amock 16y ago
Why don't you ask them for a refund and see what happens?
Timothee 16y ago
Does that mean you were going from hg to git? Any specific reason for that? Any opinion on the two? (I've been using git for a little bit but wonder if Mercurial could be more powerful but less popular, and that I'd be missing out)
- dmpayton 16y ago
  I initially decided on HG because I'm a Python developer, and a lot of other people in the Python community seem to recommend it (plus, HG is written in Python). Bitbucket had a free plan with a private repo, so I signed up. About the same time, my employer started migrating from Subversion to Git. For me, the two features I miss most in HG are the staging area and cheap local branching. There plugins that give you rough equivalents, but I haven't used them and it's much nicer to have what you need out of the box.
  - mgeisler 16y ago
    Mercurial does come with everything out of the box in the form of standard extensions that you just need to enable if you need them: * mq is a "staging area on steroids": http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/08/a-git-users-guide-to-mercurial-queues/ http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/08/a-git-users-guide-to-mercu... * bookmarks lets you name your cheaper-than-Git branches: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/02/mercurial-workflows-branch-as-needed/ http://stevelosh.com/blog/2010/02/mercurial-workflows-branch...

alexgartrell 16y ago

This is not totally unlike the combination of fogbugz and kiln. I wonder if this means anything to Fog Creek, and if any of them will comment on it.

gecko 16y ago
[I was a co-founder and am a primary developer of Kiln.] Speaking purely for myself, I don't view Bitbucket as a competitor, to be honest. It's a great tool, but serves a very different purpose. When it comes to social code, Bitbucket's great. It's Mercurial's equivalent to GitHub, and it fills that role awesomely. I have an account on there where I post stuff I want to be public, including some open-source parts of Kiln's source code, such as our new kbfiles extension. Kiln, on the other hand, is really focused a lot more on making DVCS a really great experience for companies. A lot of the stuff that makes GitHub and Bitbucket great--the whole social experience--kind of gets in the way of just getting stuff done in a corporate environment. You still want the ability to have personal repos and branches and everything, but you also want really tight integration with bug tracking, really easy ways to follow everything going on with a project in the forms of activity feeds and comprehensive search, APIs to manage everything, a really solid code discussion system so that your developers can talk about code and make sure it's really great before it gets integrated, the ability to quickly answer questions like, "What bugs were open in this point release?" and "Have I contacted customers affected by this to let them know it's fixed?" Kiln and FogBugz together provide those things right now. I'm sure Bitbucket and Jira could provide that functionality eventually, but it's not what they do right now. And I think that's fine: we need a service that provides really great social tools, and Bitbucket's that. And we need a DVCS hosting solution that's awesome for companies, and Kiln's that. Given that something like 90% of developers still use centralized SCMs, there's piles and piles of room for both of us to coexist peacefully.

cmelbye 16y ago

Interesting, unlimited repositories and disk space. I wonder if GitHub will attempt to compete with that, their plans have only gotten worse lately.

rimantas 16y ago
Number of repositories and disk space is not the reason I use GitHub.
- lars512 16y ago
  It was a large reason I didn't choose GitHub. Who wants to manage and prune their minor projects to fit into arbitrary limits?
  - cmelbye 16y ago
    This. We routinely have to decide which old repositories we can delete when we want to make a new one, and it's getting old. We don't want to pay $25 more a month just for a few more repositories.

jshen 16y ago

I hope my company doesn't switch from git to mercurial now since we use atlassian for jira and confluence :/

markstahler 16y ago

I used to be a Bitbucket customer but moved to repositoryhosting.com a few months ago. This is great news as I will likely return to Bitbucket. I stopped using the service this year because I needed many small repos (<15mb) and didn't want to pay upwards of $20-30 per month. Repositoryhosting.com offers unlimited repositories for $6 flat per month. If you require additional space you pay for that. I really don't get the pricing plans for companies like Bitbucket and Github. $5-10 per month for personal projects is fine but up past that? Do these companies think for single user accounts all these repositories are active at once? How much more does it cost Github to store an additional repository for me (not to even mention gists which are stored as repos) because they are charging $1 per month to backup a few mbs. I would love to know the average repo size.

ghshephard 16y ago
Look at it from a different angle - how many customers out there require code repositories? Now, let's say you want to have a 20-30 employee company, with a likely $3 million salary overhead and $10-15 Million dollar exit in 5-7 years. How much do you have to charge per customer to hit that target? Remember, you have to cover Salary + Hosting/Hardware Overhead. The most likely response would be "Why would someone expect to make that kind of money off of hosting repositories?" My answer would be "Why would you expect a First Class Entrepreneur / Founding Team to commit their time to a endeavor that didn't have that class of pay out?"

davidwparker 16y ago

Congrats BitBucket folks. My $0.02... I wonder if GitHub have had any offers to be bought out? It seems like they would, and they are continuously growing in personnel, so they can't be doing too badly. I'm also surprised that they said Atlassian will offer private repos for free forever. Forever seems like a pretty big promise, IMO.

squidsoup 16y ago

One amusing thing only tangentially related to this - the unofficial mercurial plugin for Jira has been broken (in Windows) for months. We've been considering buying FishEye just to get decent hg integration!

billc 16y ago

I am not a fan of Atlassian tools. But I like Bitbucket a lot. So my only hope it that the graft improves the host.

jespern 16y ago
Indeed. We won't be seeing any graft vs. host, at the very least.

swilliams 16y ago

Unlimited private repos for free? That is mighty impressive, and stacks up very well against github (especially since I prefer hg over git).

hsuresh 16y ago
I use assembla for free private git repos. I have several private repos over there.
uggedal 16y ago
http://codebasehq.com http://codebasehq.com also offers unlimited private repos (hg, git, and svn), but not for free. They have total size restrictions as well.
- ableal 16y ago
  I don't think it's really necessary to downvote a comment just because it mentions a paid service. Some users over at the reddit discussion (http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dka7n/bitbucket_now_has_unlimited_public_and_private/ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dka7n/bitbucket...) spoke well of the 6USD/month at http://repositoryhosting.com/ http://repositoryhosting.com/ Also, clicky for the free SVN at assembla: http://offers.assembla.com/free-subversion-hosting/ http://offers.assembla.com/free-subversion-hosting/
  - rs 16y ago
    There's http://xp-dev.com/ http://xp-dev.com/ as well that has unlimited repositories and users, only pay for the space that you use (disclaimer: own and run xp-dev.com)

steilpass 16y ago

I will keep my private account at github. Its my way of saying thanks for their free open source hosting.

krosaen 16y ago

I prefer mercurial over git, but being on bitbucket is starting to feel like being on Orkut when everyone else is on Facebook. Even with this announcement I'll probably start all new personal projects on github for the better visibility and collaboration with the hacker community.

ergo14 16y ago
Yeah well... thanks to people like you bitbucket will struggle to gain bigger community. Why not start projects on bitbucket, and then if it will not work out, move to github? I DID get help from other people and commited my patches to some projects on bitbucket(also did on git). It's not like you wont get help on bb - its just a tool in the end.

ergo14 16y ago

One thing i'm hoping for are better community building tools on bitbucket for projects to promote themselves. This is the only part missing to get a bigger community