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States, even relatively benevolent ones, take any steps necessary to secure national secrets, even extra legal ones. Take the likelihood that a leaky contracto

States, even relatively benevolent ones, take any steps necessary to secure national secrets, even extra legal ones. Take the likelihood that a leaky contractor coincidently is a pedophile. One who works in security yet encrypts stuff with the same cellphone password everywhere. Balance that with the possibility that a motivated state actor could plant such files on a pc or alter logs on a server they are monitoring. Coincidentally also, it is very much sufficient for a jury to convict yet the accusation is ambiguous/obvious enough to deter other would be leakers. I have no idea whether this is a good way to do things but it's a pretty widespread set of coincidences that would also happen to have a particular effect.

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taneq 8y ago
This seems to happen remarkably often in cases like these. Remember the Assange rape allegations which turned out to be a setup? It's the next step up from "found drugs in their car".
- 22837y 8y ago
  Yeah, those charges are very real. They've continually been upheld in courts in both the UK and Sweden.
  - superflyguy 8y ago
    Yes, the charges aren't going away. And because the girl was talked into the rape accusation and then tried to back out of it makes it a set up.
    - forapurpose 8y ago
      Claims in an Internet forum aren't evidence. Also, rape victims back out of accusations all the time because of the trauma involved. Is there evidence?
      - superflyguy 8y ago
        I'm not talking about hypothetical rape allegations. I'm talking about the Assange rape allegations. Educate yourself about the subject before just talking about it otherwise what's the point?
      - sievebrain 8y ago
        Yeah, lots in this case. The reason so many say the Assange charges are a setup is that the case was dropped initially by the prosecutor after it became clear the women were lying, their stories simply didn't stack up so there was no chance of a conviction. Assange hung around in Sweden after the charges were filed and requested permission to leave after the charges were dropped, the Swedish police said they were done with him. Then after he left a different prosecutor mysteriously reopened the case and demanded he return for questioning again, though nothing had changed in the case, no charges were filed and the chance of a successful prosecution was still zero.
        forapurpose 8y ago
        Again I'm reading lots of claims and as everyone knows, claims on the Internet aren't really the most reliable things. Can anyone cite any evidence?
        sievebrain 8y ago
        Probably because you're asking people to Google stuff for you? It's all public. There are two women. One posted on Twitter the next day boasting about the awesome night she'd had with Assange. She later deleted the post but others had recorded it already. The other woman sent lots of text messages saying she wasn't raped and only reported Assange because she wanted him to take an std test, that the police had blown it up and seemed to want to get him. http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-07/julian-assange-goes-public-on-rape-allegations/8099276 http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-07/julian-assange-goes... Moreover the women only filed these charges after they met each other and realised they'd both slept with him. Look, I don't know why you're being so skeptical about this. False reports of rape are extremely common. Most credible studies I've seen peg it at 50% or higher. You should never take such an accusation at face value before a case has been won and in this case we don't even need a trial - the women both created documentary evidence they were lying and one even attempted to destroy it.
  - sverige 8y ago
    Nope, Sweden dropped the case. https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/05/19/europe/julian-assange-sweden-charges-dropped/index.html https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/05/19/europe/julian-assange-swede...
    - ben_w 8y ago
      Because they timed out, I thought. Something about him not being formally chargeable until he was in the country, and cases needing to be dropped if there was no formal charge after a certain period. “Arrested on suspicion” (and “skipping bail”) being separate to that.
- krapp 8y ago
  >Remember the Assange rape allegations which turned out to be a setup? Sorry, when did they "turn out to be a setup?" This matter of fact phrasing implies evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt exists which should be commonly known, so if you could cite that, it would be appreciated.
anonymous5133 8y ago
Completely agree. The narrative being presented is simply not logical to believe. Based on the narrative, this guy works for the cia, highly likely he knows cp is illegal, obtains cp, knows how to use encryption but then uses a weak password. Not using a weak password is like security 101 first 5 minutes of the first class type of knowledge. Im sure im not the only one buying this story.
- Cacti 8y ago
  You’re making an assumption, that it was weak. What we know is that they found the password on his phone. It could have been quite strong.
  - bb88 8y ago
    I think the question I have is did the guy have a password manager on his phone?
    - Cacti 8y ago
      This is a big blank spot in the complaint, which tells me they broke or got around the encryption somehow. If it was in cleartext they would have said so because it would have added to their case.
    - DINKDINK 8y ago
      The question we need to answer is: Was the incriminating data planted or not. Having a password manager on his phone is tangental to answer that question. After the computer and phone left his custody, either device could have had data modified. Unless he's got his data pinned into the Bitcoin blockchain, it's a pretty hard to show that it was planted. If it wasn't planted then it's really just about how the key was revealed. P.S. The description does seem to describe a password manager: "Specifically, the Cellphone Examination identified various passwords that had been input by the user of the Cellphone to, for example, access the phone, applications on the phone, and/or certain websites."
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donutte 8y ago
Reading further down in the docket reveals a few suggestive details. Of particular note, this filing which lead to the revocation of Schulte’s bail [https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.480183/gov.uscourts.nysd.480183.21.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.480183...]. Two salient points: 1. Schulte agreed as a condition of his pretrial house arrest not to own, possess, or use a computer or any other form of internet access. Surveillance showed internet connections from his house, accessing his personal email as well as the TOR network. His attorneys argue that these connections were Schulte’s cousin (who lives with him) checking his email (and TOR?) on his behalf, which after all the Court never said he couldn’t do. 2. At his bail hearing, the prosecutor mentioned a photograph (apparently recovered from Schulte’s phone) showing an unconscious person (apparently Schulte’s roommate) being sexually assaulted (apparently in their shared bathroom). The identity of the assailant having not being established, this wasn’t taken into consideration at pretrial. But... Since that hearing, the cops in Virginia followed up and have a reasonable suspicion that the person seen in a photograph on Schulte’s phone, sexually assaulting Schulte’s unconscious roommate, in Schulte’s house, might indeed be Schulte himself. So it sounds like he’s facing sexual assault charges in Virginia, as soon as his federal child-porn-cum-treason prosecution gets sorted out. So... well, even if these additional allegations don’t change your perspective on his character, they proooooobably cut against any presumption of doubt based on dude’s mastery of opsec.

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taneq 8y ago

This seems to happen remarkably often in cases like these. Remember the Assange rape allegations which turned out to be a setup? It's the next step up from "found drugs in their car".

22837y 8y ago
Yeah, those charges are very real. They've continually been upheld in courts in both the UK and Sweden.
- superflyguy 8y ago
  Yes, the charges aren't going away. And because the girl was talked into the rape accusation and then tried to back out of it makes it a set up.
  - forapurpose 8y ago
    Claims in an Internet forum aren't evidence. Also, rape victims back out of accusations all the time because of the trauma involved. Is there evidence?
    - superflyguy 8y ago
      I'm not talking about hypothetical rape allegations. I'm talking about the Assange rape allegations. Educate yourself about the subject before just talking about it otherwise what's the point?
    - sievebrain 8y ago
      Yeah, lots in this case. The reason so many say the Assange charges are a setup is that the case was dropped initially by the prosecutor after it became clear the women were lying, their stories simply didn't stack up so there was no chance of a conviction. Assange hung around in Sweden after the charges were filed and requested permission to leave after the charges were dropped, the Swedish police said they were done with him. Then after he left a different prosecutor mysteriously reopened the case and demanded he return for questioning again, though nothing had changed in the case, no charges were filed and the chance of a successful prosecution was still zero.
      - forapurpose 8y ago
        Again I'm reading lots of claims and as everyone knows, claims on the Internet aren't really the most reliable things. Can anyone cite any evidence?
        sievebrain 8y ago
        Probably because you're asking people to Google stuff for you? It's all public. There are two women. One posted on Twitter the next day boasting about the awesome night she'd had with Assange. She later deleted the post but others had recorded it already. The other woman sent lots of text messages saying she wasn't raped and only reported Assange because she wanted him to take an std test, that the police had blown it up and seemed to want to get him. http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-07/julian-assange-goes-public-on-rape-allegations/8099276 http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-07/julian-assange-goes... Moreover the women only filed these charges after they met each other and realised they'd both slept with him. Look, I don't know why you're being so skeptical about this. False reports of rape are extremely common. Most credible studies I've seen peg it at 50% or higher. You should never take such an accusation at face value before a case has been won and in this case we don't even need a trial - the women both created documentary evidence they were lying and one even attempted to destroy it.
- sverige 8y ago
  Nope, Sweden dropped the case. https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/05/19/europe/julian-assange-sweden-charges-dropped/index.html https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/05/19/europe/julian-assange-swede...
  - ben_w 8y ago
    Because they timed out, I thought. Something about him not being formally chargeable until he was in the country, and cases needing to be dropped if there was no formal charge after a certain period. “Arrested on suspicion” (and “skipping bail”) being separate to that.
krapp 8y ago
>Remember the Assange rape allegations which turned out to be a setup? Sorry, when did they "turn out to be a setup?" This matter of fact phrasing implies evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt exists which should be commonly known, so if you could cite that, it would be appreciated.

anonymous5133 8y ago

Completely agree. The narrative being presented is simply not logical to believe. Based on the narrative, this guy works for the cia, highly likely he knows cp is illegal, obtains cp, knows how to use encryption but then uses a weak password. Not using a weak password is like security 101 first 5 minutes of the first class type of knowledge. Im sure im not the only one buying this story.

Cacti 8y ago
You’re making an assumption, that it was weak. What we know is that they found the password on his phone. It could have been quite strong.
- bb88 8y ago
  I think the question I have is did the guy have a password manager on his phone?
  - Cacti 8y ago
    This is a big blank spot in the complaint, which tells me they broke or got around the encryption somehow. If it was in cleartext they would have said so because it would have added to their case.
  - DINKDINK 8y ago
    The question we need to answer is: Was the incriminating data planted or not. Having a password manager on his phone is tangental to answer that question. After the computer and phone left his custody, either device could have had data modified. Unless he's got his data pinned into the Bitcoin blockchain, it's a pretty hard to show that it was planted. If it wasn't planted then it's really just about how the key was revealed. P.S. The description does seem to describe a password manager: "Specifically, the Cellphone Examination identified various passwords that had been input by the user of the Cellphone to, for example, access the phone, applications on the phone, and/or certain websites."
    - 8y ago

donutte 8y ago

Reading further down in the docket reveals a few suggestive details. Of particular note, this filing which lead to the revocation of Schulte’s bail [https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.480183/gov.uscourts.nysd.480183.21.0.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.480183...]. Two salient points: 1. Schulte agreed as a condition of his pretrial house arrest not to own, possess, or use a computer or any other form of internet access. Surveillance showed internet connections from his house, accessing his personal email as well as the TOR network. His attorneys argue that these connections were Schulte’s cousin (who lives with him) checking his email (and TOR?) on his behalf, which after all the Court never said he couldn’t do. 2. At his bail hearing, the prosecutor mentioned a photograph (apparently recovered from Schulte’s phone) showing an unconscious person (apparently Schulte’s roommate) being sexually assaulted (apparently in their shared bathroom). The identity of the assailant having not being established, this wasn’t taken into consideration at pretrial. But... Since that hearing, the cops in Virginia followed up and have a reasonable suspicion that the person seen in a photograph on Schulte’s phone, sexually assaulting Schulte’s unconscious roommate, in Schulte’s house, might indeed be Schulte himself. So it sounds like he’s facing sexual assault charges in Virginia, as soon as his federal child-porn-cum-treason prosecution gets sorted out. So... well, even if these additional allegations don’t change your perspective on his character, they proooooobably cut against any presumption of doubt based on dude’s mastery of opsec.