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I researched your claim. For the Sony hack, no actual evidence was ever provided implicating North Korea - just unsupported allegations. [Independent researcher

I researched your claim. For the Sony hack, no actual evidence was ever provided implicating North Korea - just unsupported allegations. [Independent researchers](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/30/sony-hack-researchers-claim-sacked-employees-could-be-to-blame https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/30/sony-hack-resea...) found it was much more likely to have been disgruntled employees. However, for the Vault 7 leak, almost no major news organizations cited Russia as a likely culprit for this. I agree with your sentiment that basically any official information that comes out of the IC is suspect, but in this case, unless you can cite specific examples, I'm pretty sure the IC never publicly blamed Russia.

StanislavPetrov 8y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/07/wikileaks-cia-documents-us-russia-conflict https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/07/wikileaks-cia-... >no actual evidence was ever provided implicating North Korea - just unsupported allegations. No actual evidence has been provided implicating Wikileaks received anything from Russia either - just unsupported allegations. If you disagree, I welcome you to link below actual evidence that has been provided. Despite the exhorations of many, claims made by spooks, spies, employees of think tanks and 3-letter agencies is not proof of anything, in any context, ever. Its extremely troubling, and very revealing, that this simple fact is an anathema to so many.
- notveryrational 8y ago
  That's because Wikileaks is not in any way a Russian operation. Wikileaks is globally important as a whistleblowing operation. If you go back to the 1990s you can find the US government applauding Wikileaks' publications. When Wikileaks distributed several large caches of US documents, and would not negotiate with the US Justice Department on disclosure, censorship and propaganda agreements common with most other news providers - this more friendly relationship curdled. The US became increasingly hostile with Wikileaks, tried to get its operators extradited, even shopped around for internet sock puppets and social media campaigns to damage their reputations. Wikileaks in turn became distasteful of the US, and happily publishes damaging materials on the United States. These documents also happen to cover many of the details associated with unsavory activity of the world's sole superpower, which makes the reporting rather important. US media characterizations of Wikileaks as a Russian operation are, and have been, a (successful?) domestic propaganda campaign. The way the IG talks in internal documents (go find them) about Wikileaks is that it is an independent information organization that "punches above its weight" and has geopolitical capabilities as a non-state actor. That's much closer to the truth.

StanislavPetrov 8y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/07/wikileaks-cia-documents-us-russia-conflict https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/07/wikileaks-cia-... >no actual evidence was ever provided implicating North Korea - just unsupported allegations. No actual evidence has been provided implicating Wikileaks received anything from Russia either - just unsupported allegations. If you disagree, I welcome you to link below actual evidence that has been provided. Despite the exhorations of many, claims made by spooks, spies, employees of think tanks and 3-letter agencies is not proof of anything, in any context, ever. Its extremely troubling, and very revealing, that this simple fact is an anathema to so many.

notveryrational 8y ago
That's because Wikileaks is not in any way a Russian operation. Wikileaks is globally important as a whistleblowing operation. If you go back to the 1990s you can find the US government applauding Wikileaks' publications. When Wikileaks distributed several large caches of US documents, and would not negotiate with the US Justice Department on disclosure, censorship and propaganda agreements common with most other news providers - this more friendly relationship curdled. The US became increasingly hostile with Wikileaks, tried to get its operators extradited, even shopped around for internet sock puppets and social media campaigns to damage their reputations. Wikileaks in turn became distasteful of the US, and happily publishes damaging materials on the United States. These documents also happen to cover many of the details associated with unsavory activity of the world's sole superpower, which makes the reporting rather important. US media characterizations of Wikileaks as a Russian operation are, and have been, a (successful?) domestic propaganda campaign. The way the IG talks in internal documents (go find them) about Wikileaks is that it is an independent information organization that "punches above its weight" and has geopolitical capabilities as a non-state actor. That's much closer to the truth.