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Mr. Schulte had been charged last year in New York with possession of child pornography Very interesting! It almost seems like the pornography charges against
by salimmadjd 8y ago
Mr. Schulte had been charged last year in New York with possession of child pornography
Very interesting! It almost seems like the pornography charges against him was a way to punish him but without prosecuting him for the actual leakage. Perhaps the government wanted to still point the fingers at someone else or avoid embarrassment?
- dexterdog 8y agoAnd you can color me skeptical of any evidence that the government provided in that case.
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- Cacti 8y agoYou should read the indictment. That porn was not planted. https://www.scribd.com/document/379346745/Joshua-Adam-Schulte https://www.scribd.com/document/379346745/Joshua-Adam-Schult...
- djsumdog 8y agoeh, you should still be skeptical. This is a CIA contractor/employee we're talking about here. Child pornography is an interesting situation because no one outside of the justice department and a few key people can even legally examine the evidence. It shouldn't be beyond the realm of believeability to this bad actors created these charges in retaliation.
- cortesoft 8y agoHow would an indictment prove or disprove whether it was planted?
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- LMYahooTFY 8y agoI read the indictment, but I don't see how you can be certain it was not planted. He apparently saved IRC logs of their entire quest to obtain child porn....? Using his name as a handle? Impossible? No, but do you really think this is not questionable at all?
- Cacti 8y agoDid you read the part about the VM he was (allegedly) hiding?
- zeth___ 8y ago"Yes your honour, we totally found this." "No your honour, we lost the evidence since then."
- Cacti 8y agoDo you actually have an argument as to how they would fake the VM in a manner that would withstand the analysis of the defendants experts?
- valuearb 8y agoCan't the CIA hide trojans on unused sectors of storage that can't be detected by any known anti virus program? You don't think they can't fake a VM?
- wpdev_63 8y agoIf you really think the guy who leaked highly classified CIA documents that reveals their means of mass surveillance happened to also be a pedophile then you are one naive person. Do yourself a favor and never watch 24-hour news programs.
- chiefalchemist 8y agoBelieving he was is believable. But it's only a symptom. Believing the intelligence community never bends the rules is the problem. That belief is the root disease.
- zeth___ 8y agoWhich do you think is more likely: 1). A person willing to risk their life for what they believe is right is a pedophile. 2). The CIA plants evidence. After having a look at the things we know the CIA did during my life time, Iran-Contra, I'd say 2 is vastly more likely than 1.
- ben_w 8y agoDespite being certain of 2, I am also certain that they don’t need to plant evidence to make someone’s life hell. Their omniscient surveillance, combined with how many overlapping laws eveyone seems to have, means all they need to do is enumerate the crimes of someone they don’t like and run with it. So, for example, this particular enemy of theirs likes illegal porn? Next one will have something else. This isn’t to say the CIA definitely didn’t plant anything, just that I think doing so is not the only option they will consider sufficient for their desired result. Moral outrage based attacks have happened before; I’m told the FBI’s poison-pen-letter to MLK was being truthful when it claimed that he was adulterous, for example. While the idea that adultary could have such an impact is alien to me, the fact that it was attempted means the FBI thought otherwise at the time. As for option 1? There’s a reason why we cant find them before they break the law. Whatever that reason is, it has to be compatible with someone like that being willing to do something like this.
- chiefalchemist 8y ago
- reaperducer 8y ago>It almost seems like the pornography charges against him was a way to punish him but without prosecuting him for the actual leakage It's the new "tax evasion." Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone#Tax_evasion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone#Tax_evasion
- TomMckenny 8y agoStates, even relatively benevolent ones, take any steps necessary to secure national secrets, even extra legal ones. Take the likelihood that a leaky contractor coincidently is a pedophile. One who works in security yet encrypts stuff with the same cellphone password everywhere. Balance that with the possibility that a motivated state actor could plant such files on a pc or alter logs on a server they are monitoring. Coincidentally also, it is very much sufficient for a jury to convict yet the accusation is ambiguous/obvious enough to deter other would be leakers. I have no idea whether this is a good way to do things but it's a pretty widespread set of coincidences that would also happen to have a particular effect.
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- taneq 8y agoThis seems to happen remarkably often in cases like these. Remember the Assange rape allegations which turned out to be a setup? It's the next step up from "found drugs in their car".
- 22837y 8y agoYeah, those charges are very real. They've continually been upheld in courts in both the UK and Sweden.
- superflyguy 8y agoYes, the charges aren't going away. And because the girl was talked into the rape accusation and then tried to back out of it makes it a set up.
- forapurpose 8y agoClaims in an Internet forum aren't evidence. Also, rape victims back out of accusations all the time because of the trauma involved. Is there evidence?
- saas_co_de 8y ago"In or about 2016" ... sounds like some pretty solid evidence they have there.
- travmatt 8y agoCounterintelligence investigations and prosecutions probably take a long time, and the stakes are high enough that prosecutors want to make their case airtight. Charging him with the other crimes he’s believed guilty of is probably a good way of laying the groundwork for the later case, with the added bonus of greater leverage and hurting their financial (and therefore, legal) positions.
- calimac 8y agoI can think of multiple reports of cp payloads being directed at enemies of the CI@. ...going back to 2013 they have been known to plant the cp on their enemies inside USA> interesting thing is that it's the same year the domestic spy operation was made legal by the defense authorization act 2013.
- allthenews 8y agoI bet they could have planet d the CP to gain access to his hardware, without which they would have had no legally obtained evidence of his crime. Apparently he was running some sort of server, but I haven't read past that.