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Do you have evidence that things have changed? I suspect that if you took random samples of young people from several generations and followed them throughout

by afpx 8y ago

Do you have evidence that things have changed? I suspect that if you took random samples of young people from several generations and followed them throughout life, the rate of success and failure relative to their peers would be the same across generations.

pvaldes 8y ago
Most people can manage frustration correctly. But some outliers, instead... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th... I wonder how this would look in a chart. http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1138/ https://xkcd.com/1138/ Also, there's a lot of terrible ways to manage stress without going postal (or some variant thereof) and there's plenty of things other than stress that can lead people to going postal.
  - pvaldes 8y ago
    Xkcb is always a good distraction, but not. What is interesting is not that there aren't mass murderings in the desert or the sea or that more people are shooted where the bulk of the people lives. This is obvious. The interesting part is that there are a lot of mass murderings in USA and a lot of children and young people killed also. (and those are only the first six months of the year). Was the same trend in 1970 or 1860 after adjusting the diference of population? If not... well, maybe something has changed.
    - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
      Are we talking about murder in general or just the tiny fraction of it made up of people snapping and committing semi-random violence? The things that cause of typical murders and the things that cause mass shootings are very, very, very different as are the options for solving those problems. Trying to consider them as related is not productive unless the goal is to create confusion in order to push an agenda that is not supported by facts and statistical evidence we have. Most murder is basically a symptom of illegal drug trafficking (either directly or indirectly) and the problem is made worse and harder to solve by a bunch of systemic issues (racism, incompetent government, etc.). Mass murder (the real kind where people commit senseless violence, not the kind where it's just multiple normal murders at one time that people use to inflate the numbers) is basically a publicity problem[0]. Once a few people start doing it and everyone becomes aware of it the people who were on the fence figure why not. Same goes for suicides, riots and a lot of other things. [0] https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-do-mass-shootings-happen-best-explanation/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-do-mass-shootings-...
      - watwut 8y ago
        Aren't most murders familly members and friends? That is how I recall it.
    - watwut 8y ago
      1860 was highly violent. It was a year before civil war and they were already killing each other - see bleeding Kansass for most notorious civilian violence. They were also killing/injuring each others in duels (in south). The society was overall more violent with a lot of violent rhetorics everywhere around.

by afpx 8y ago

pvaldes 8y ago

Most people can manage frustration correctly. But some outliers, instead... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th... I wonder how this would look in a chart. http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1138/ https://xkcd.com/1138/ Also, there's a lot of terrible ways to manage stress without going postal (or some variant thereof) and there's plenty of things other than stress that can lead people to going postal.
- pvaldes 8y ago
  Xkcb is always a good distraction, but not. What is interesting is not that there aren't mass murderings in the desert or the sea or that more people are shooted where the bulk of the people lives. This is obvious. The interesting part is that there are a lot of mass murderings in USA and a lot of children and young people killed also. (and those are only the first six months of the year). Was the same trend in 1970 or 1860 after adjusting the diference of population? If not... well, maybe something has changed.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    Are we talking about murder in general or just the tiny fraction of it made up of people snapping and committing semi-random violence? The things that cause of typical murders and the things that cause mass shootings are very, very, very different as are the options for solving those problems. Trying to consider them as related is not productive unless the goal is to create confusion in order to push an agenda that is not supported by facts and statistical evidence we have. Most murder is basically a symptom of illegal drug trafficking (either directly or indirectly) and the problem is made worse and harder to solve by a bunch of systemic issues (racism, incompetent government, etc.). Mass murder (the real kind where people commit senseless violence, not the kind where it's just multiple normal murders at one time that people use to inflate the numbers) is basically a publicity problem[0]. Once a few people start doing it and everyone becomes aware of it the people who were on the fence figure why not. Same goes for suicides, riots and a lot of other things. [0] https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-do-mass-shootings-happen-best-explanation/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-do-mass-shootings-...
    - watwut 8y ago
      Aren't most murders familly members and friends? That is how I recall it.
  - watwut 8y ago
    1860 was highly violent. It was a year before civil war and they were already killing each other - see bleeding Kansass for most notorious civilian violence. They were also killing/injuring each others in duels (in south). The society was overall more violent with a lot of violent rhetorics everywhere around.