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- A small point, but I think the comparison between a MacBook Pro an a Lenovo is a bit odd. ThinkPads are not far off from Apple in terms of build quality and a

- A small point, but I think the comparison between a MacBook Pro an a Lenovo is a bit odd. ThinkPads are not far off from Apple in terms of build quality and are certainly more durable. You're going to have to justify that. A case made out of a solid piece of aluminum is about as durable as I can think of in consumer-level products. I beat the crap out of my MBP and it doesn't have so much as a scratch on it.

ccc3 16y ago
http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/02/24/74521/ http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/02/24/74521/
- Locke1689 16y ago
  Cool, hadn't seen that. Not sure why people were downvoting you -- I asked for a source and you gave one.
jrockway 16y ago
Yeah, but the Thinkpads are even stronger. You can dump a glass of water on the keyboard and it keeps working, because all the liquid is routed through special drainage holes. You can drive a car over the screen because they put reinforcements (magnesium, I believe) in just the right places. 100% Al is limiting -- you can't use a stronger-but-heavier material anywhere. They're also hard to take apart. Changing a dead hard drive is a 1 minute operation with a Thinkpad. With a Macbook... well, you can't even change the battery anymore...
- DougBTX 16y ago
  A bunch of screws, but not overly difficult: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/618/1 http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-T...
  - danilocampos 16y ago
    Yeah, I've been in and out of the modern MBP for RAM and HDD upgrades inside of three minutes. Very thoughtful design, especially for a notebook.
  - Groxx 16y ago
    The newer laptops are a lot easier, and they reflect it by labeling the HD as user-serviceable without voiding the warranty. Meanwhile, I have this: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Core-2-Duo-Models-A1226-and-A1260-Hard-Drive-Replacement/670/1 http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15... Which definitely qualifies as a PITA. Easy enough for me, though, as I've had far nastier, also from Apple (12" Powerbook): http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-PowerBook-G4-Aluminum-12-Inch-867-MHz-Upper-Case/203/1 http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-PowerBook-G4-A... (they don't have a HD guide, but that's all the screws). And all those screws are different sizes (or close enough).
    - robin_reala 16y ago
      Old Thinkpads used to be awful as well though. Changing the keyboard on a 380D required burrowing in from the back :(
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- Locke1689 16y ago
  Very cool. I wish their touchpads didn't suck so much, though.
  - rkowalick 16y ago
    Embrace the trackpoint!
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elai 16y ago
The sony vaio z series also has a lot of things that i wish apple would imitate, like being the same weight as a macbook air (3 pounds), yet having better battery life a significantly better i7 processor, dual ssds, 1080p screen, 13" screen factor and still has a replaceable battery, very essential for travellers. If OSX was native on a vaio z, that would be my laptop of choice.

ccc3 16y ago

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/02/24/74521/ http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/02/24/74521/

Locke1689 16y ago
Cool, hadn't seen that. Not sure why people were downvoting you -- I asked for a source and you gave one.

jrockway 16y ago

Yeah, but the Thinkpads are even stronger. You can dump a glass of water on the keyboard and it keeps working, because all the liquid is routed through special drainage holes. You can drive a car over the screen because they put reinforcements (magnesium, I believe) in just the right places. 100% Al is limiting -- you can't use a stronger-but-heavier material anywhere. They're also hard to take apart. Changing a dead hard drive is a 1 minute operation with a Thinkpad. With a Macbook... well, you can't even change the battery anymore...

DougBTX 16y ago
A bunch of screws, but not overly difficult: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/618/1 http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-T...
- danilocampos 16y ago
  Yeah, I've been in and out of the modern MBP for RAM and HDD upgrades inside of three minutes. Very thoughtful design, especially for a notebook.
- Groxx 16y ago
  The newer laptops are a lot easier, and they reflect it by labeling the HD as user-serviceable without voiding the warranty. Meanwhile, I have this: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Core-2-Duo-Models-A1226-and-A1260-Hard-Drive-Replacement/670/1 http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15... Which definitely qualifies as a PITA. Easy enough for me, though, as I've had far nastier, also from Apple (12" Powerbook): http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-PowerBook-G4-Aluminum-12-Inch-867-MHz-Upper-Case/203/1 http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-PowerBook-G4-A... (they don't have a HD guide, but that's all the screws). And all those screws are different sizes (or close enough).
  - robin_reala 16y ago
    Old Thinkpads used to be awful as well though. Changing the keyboard on a 380D required burrowing in from the back :(
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Locke1689 16y ago
Very cool. I wish their touchpads didn't suck so much, though.
- rkowalick 16y ago
  Embrace the trackpoint!
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elai 16y ago

The sony vaio z series also has a lot of things that i wish apple would imitate, like being the same weight as a macbook air (3 pounds), yet having better battery life a significantly better i7 processor, dual ssds, 1080p screen, 13" screen factor and still has a replaceable battery, very essential for travellers. If OSX was native on a vaio z, that would be my laptop of choice.