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Do you sincerely believe that us dropping bombs in the middle east is "protecting American lives"? If anything, it's spawned a whole generation of terrorists wh

Do you sincerely believe that us dropping bombs in the middle east is "protecting American lives"? If anything, it's spawned a whole generation of terrorists who hate the US for destroying their country. The best way to protect Americans would be for our country to get out of expensive, overseas wars and invest that money in healthcare and ending the drug war, things that actually kill Americans in large numbers.

tozeur 8y ago
That is a very naive, but understandable, viewpoint. Take the time to learn about how important America’s military is to global stability: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/16/world/trump-military-role-treaties-allies-nato-asia-persian-gulf.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/16/world/trump-m...
- rixed 8y ago
  For some value of stability, I guess.
- gambiting 8y ago
  And the New York Time's view on this issue is also understandable, but I sincerely believe that had it not been for US and its ventures abroad, we(over here in Europe) wouldn't need defending. Like when US wants to build anti-missile defense systems in Europe, and goes "look, we're just trying to save you from strikes from Middle East guys!" - great, but why would Middle East strike Poland for example? Oh that's right, because we're participating in every US war in that region. Great. It's basically US stirring trouble all over the world and then saying "look how great we are for defending peace across the globe!".
  - FanaHOVA 8y ago
    Europe has such a peaceful history, we never had wars over here until the US came around right? C'mon...
- mamon 8y ago
  Yours is equally naive, but understandable viewpoint :) If anything, America's role is destabilising (see attacking Iraq on false pretenses that destabilized Middle East and helped ISIS rise to power). The same goes for other wars waged by US: they are started to protect American economic interests, long term consequences be damned.
- alexbeloi 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory
- ionised 8y ago
  And by 'global stability' you of course mean, 'American financial interests'.
  - Amygaz 8y ago
    I by American you mean '0.1% of US Americans'.
inglor 8y ago
As an Israeli, I believe that US intervention in the long term and the fact we were stuck in a proxy of the cold war did us mostly harm. While we see the US as an ally here - we haven't traditionally been at war with Arab countries and I think a big part of it was the influx of military equipment from the US to Israel and from the USSR (and later Russia) to the surrounding countries. (This is an oversimplification but for brevity - I opted for just the gist of things) Intervention in Iran and conquering it and installing a puppet government (the Shah) also did more harm than good in retrospect. I believe that if the US exported more education and equalizers (like more accessible MOOCs, better infrastructure companies to get work there, more remote position etc). It would both be more competitive economically and would contribute more to middle-east stability.
- dirtshell 8y ago
  "While we see the US as an ally here - we haven't traditionally been at war with Arab countries" Literally since the founding of the state of Israel the country has been at war with the Arab nations. Could you expand on what you mean by this?
  - yetanother1980 8y ago
    No Israel hasn't been at war with its neighbouring Arab countries for a long time. They periodically attack Hezbollah, there is tension with Syria at the moment and obviously they are still occupying Palestine. However Egypt for example helps Israel with the Gaza blockade by not opening the Palestine-Egypt border.
  - v_lisivka 8y ago
    Hi tries to blame USA for mistakes of his own country.

tozeur 8y ago

That is a very naive, but understandable, viewpoint. Take the time to learn about how important America’s military is to global stability: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/16/world/trump-military-role-treaties-allies-nato-asia-persian-gulf.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/16/world/trump-m...

rixed 8y ago
For some value of stability, I guess.
gambiting 8y ago
And the New York Time's view on this issue is also understandable, but I sincerely believe that had it not been for US and its ventures abroad, we(over here in Europe) wouldn't need defending. Like when US wants to build anti-missile defense systems in Europe, and goes "look, we're just trying to save you from strikes from Middle East guys!" - great, but why would Middle East strike Poland for example? Oh that's right, because we're participating in every US war in that region. Great. It's basically US stirring trouble all over the world and then saying "look how great we are for defending peace across the globe!".
- FanaHOVA 8y ago
  Europe has such a peaceful history, we never had wars over here until the US came around right? C'mon...
mamon 8y ago
Yours is equally naive, but understandable viewpoint :) If anything, America's role is destabilising (see attacking Iraq on false pretenses that destabilized Middle East and helped ISIS rise to power). The same goes for other wars waged by US: they are started to protect American economic interests, long term consequences be damned.
alexbeloi 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_stability_theory
ionised 8y ago
And by 'global stability' you of course mean, 'American financial interests'.
- Amygaz 8y ago
  I by American you mean '0.1% of US Americans'.

inglor 8y ago

As an Israeli, I believe that US intervention in the long term and the fact we were stuck in a proxy of the cold war did us mostly harm. While we see the US as an ally here - we haven't traditionally been at war with Arab countries and I think a big part of it was the influx of military equipment from the US to Israel and from the USSR (and later Russia) to the surrounding countries. (This is an oversimplification but for brevity - I opted for just the gist of things) Intervention in Iran and conquering it and installing a puppet government (the Shah) also did more harm than good in retrospect. I believe that if the US exported more education and equalizers (like more accessible MOOCs, better infrastructure companies to get work there, more remote position etc). It would both be more competitive economically and would contribute more to middle-east stability.

dirtshell 8y ago
"While we see the US as an ally here - we haven't traditionally been at war with Arab countries" Literally since the founding of the state of Israel the country has been at war with the Arab nations. Could you expand on what you mean by this?
- yetanother1980 8y ago
  No Israel hasn't been at war with its neighbouring Arab countries for a long time. They periodically attack Hezbollah, there is tension with Syria at the moment and obviously they are still occupying Palestine. However Egypt for example helps Israel with the Gaza blockade by not opening the Palestine-Egypt border.
- v_lisivka 8y ago
  Hi tries to blame USA for mistakes of his own country.