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Imagine you have two random number generators, each producing a sequence of digits. The question for your computer is this: Are the two sequences complete

Imagine you have two random number generators, each producing a sequence of digits. The question for your computer is this: Are the two sequences completely independent from each other, or are they related in a hidden way? That, right there, should tell absolutely everyone, by intuition alone, that, despite assurances from industry experts that flaws leading to breaks (plain-text discovery faster than brute force) are universally impractical, even with all the energy of a dyson sphere, that there are classified equations for back doors baked into all modern, commercially used civilian/consumer-grade cryptographic algorithms.

rblatz 8y ago
I'm not 100% sure which side you are taking, but I think you are saying all common crypto is backdoored. That seems like a giant logical leap with absolutely no hints as to why you landed at that conclusion based on your quote.
- rotomator 8y ago
  are they related in a hidden way? Sometimes, that's all you need to hear. Probably.
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throwawaymath 8y ago
For the benefit of us with a poor intuition, do you mind walking us through how you arrived at your conclusion?
- rotomator 8y ago
  It's probably something about seemingly random nonce generation being (selectively) not-so-random after all. The "not-so-random-but-seemingly-unrelated" nonces possessing relatable properties that permit discovery of secret keys, through little known, obscure relationships, preferably difficult to establish computationally, thus placing them on a shelf that not only few would look for, but also few could reach. With this capacity to force the selective production of relatable private keys, given a public key generated according to said relationship, only a small audience would know to search for the related private key. Ideally, the production of linked, discoverable public/private key pairs would be the default for the open public, and thus a deniable "accident" but with options to enable select, preferred chipsets (e.g. intel/amd brand only) to activate buses that will produce hardened, secure, unrelatable keys to those that have extra solder in all the right places. Meanwhile, figure everything focuses on primes for integral quotients to prove clear relationships in most crypto problems, because it's easiest to reason correctness, so stacking tons and tons of layers on top of a desirable quotient will usually obscure such a fact from most snoops. But, now we have new technology which binds massively parallel calculations (mostly by way of fast fourier transforms) to speed-of-light waveform oscillations. Such calculations that were not previously trivial, are reduced to, perhaps smallish functions with only the number of iterations to perform-and-test-output, before returning. Determining whether the introduction of quantum computing is the only way such back doors could possibly be exposed to the general public, would be a necessity, prior to making advanced technology widely available. If it does result in a high probability of exposure, then a narrative of controlled exposure also needs to be crafted, so that the old back doors can be retired in an orderly fashion, while ramping up new covert information vectors compatible with powerful quantum waveform calculations that put an exponentially larger amount of calculation cycles in the hands of civilians, which were previously unavailable with 20th century solid state electronics. Whether people have a clue how to use all those extra cycles or not. Probably.
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rblatz 8y ago

I'm not 100% sure which side you are taking, but I think you are saying all common crypto is backdoored. That seems like a giant logical leap with absolutely no hints as to why you landed at that conclusion based on your quote.

rotomator 8y ago
are they related in a hidden way? Sometimes, that's all you need to hear. Probably.
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throwawaymath 8y ago

For the benefit of us with a poor intuition, do you mind walking us through how you arrived at your conclusion?

rotomator 8y ago
It's probably something about seemingly random nonce generation being (selectively) not-so-random after all. The "not-so-random-but-seemingly-unrelated" nonces possessing relatable properties that permit discovery of secret keys, through little known, obscure relationships, preferably difficult to establish computationally, thus placing them on a shelf that not only few would look for, but also few could reach. With this capacity to force the selective production of relatable private keys, given a public key generated according to said relationship, only a small audience would know to search for the related private key. Ideally, the production of linked, discoverable public/private key pairs would be the default for the open public, and thus a deniable "accident" but with options to enable select, preferred chipsets (e.g. intel/amd brand only) to activate buses that will produce hardened, secure, unrelatable keys to those that have extra solder in all the right places. Meanwhile, figure everything focuses on primes for integral quotients to prove clear relationships in most crypto problems, because it's easiest to reason correctness, so stacking tons and tons of layers on top of a desirable quotient will usually obscure such a fact from most snoops. But, now we have new technology which binds massively parallel calculations (mostly by way of fast fourier transforms) to speed-of-light waveform oscillations. Such calculations that were not previously trivial, are reduced to, perhaps smallish functions with only the number of iterations to perform-and-test-output, before returning. Determining whether the introduction of quantum computing is the only way such back doors could possibly be exposed to the general public, would be a necessity, prior to making advanced technology widely available. If it does result in a high probability of exposure, then a narrative of controlled exposure also needs to be crafted, so that the old back doors can be retired in an orderly fashion, while ramping up new covert information vectors compatible with powerful quantum waveform calculations that put an exponentially larger amount of calculation cycles in the hands of civilians, which were previously unavailable with 20th century solid state electronics. Whether people have a clue how to use all those extra cycles or not. Probably.
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