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> I would love to have the browser be a local "application server" on the desktop Back in the days we called that a WebView. And when MS made one with MSIE an

> I would love to have the browser be a local "application server" on the desktop Back in the days we called that a WebView. And when MS made one with MSIE and used that in Windows, we sent the EU after them. How times change, eh?

eddieroger 8y ago
Except Electron won't do it using their market share to take out Netscape.
- josteink 8y ago
  No. That’s Chrome’s doing to Firefox. Big difference, sure.
reitanqild 8y ago
> And when MS made one with MSIE and used that in Windows, we sent the EU after them. > How times change, eh? That was a very short story. Mine is a bit longer and includes MS intentionally crippling HTML if their servers sniffed Opera headers. Edit: Google employees here, -please remind your bosses and colleagues what happened last someone abused their position to dominate the browser market.
- josefx 8y ago
  > please remind your bosses and colleagues what happened last someone abused their position to dominate the browser market. They got rich(er) and crippled competition for years to come?
  - reitanqild 8y ago
    Well they also got a fine so big [0] that they changed their ways somewhat[1] and still make money. But then again, I know nothing. This is just a feeling I have. [0]: Yes, and I think they also got the message loud and clear that this would just be a start unless they started behaving [1]: not saying they are saints yet, but as a nix user out in the trenches I very much prefer the current Microsoft.
coldtea 8y ago
>And when MS made one with MSIE and used that in Windows, we sent the EU after them. That was because they were a monopoly (among several other reasons, such as "bundling", threatening OEMs and so on). Not because they offered webviews (which was totally irrelevant).
- josteink 8y ago
  Iirc the embedding in the OS (aka the webview) was one of the major complaints.
  - hshehehjdjdjd 8y ago
    But ... chromium is not embedded in the OS?
scrollaway 8y ago
Yes, I had webview in mind when I was writing that comment. But obviously WebViews aren't good enough. We're talking about enough functionality to own a multi-window app. Edit: What I more specifically had in mind was Firefox Prism, from circa 2007. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Prism https://wiki.mozilla.org/Prism Why this stuff didn't take / isn't more popular now, I don't really know.
tambourine_man 8y ago
With the exception of IE/EDGE, all major browsers use an open source rendering engine. It’s a lot easier to argue that a web browser is an essencial part of an OS this way.

eddieroger 8y ago

Except Electron won't do it using their market share to take out Netscape.

josteink 8y ago
No. That’s Chrome’s doing to Firefox. Big difference, sure.

reitanqild 8y ago

> And when MS made one with MSIE and used that in Windows, we sent the EU after them. > How times change, eh? That was a very short story. Mine is a bit longer and includes MS intentionally crippling HTML if their servers sniffed Opera headers. Edit: Google employees here, -please remind your bosses and colleagues what happened last someone abused their position to dominate the browser market.

josefx 8y ago
> please remind your bosses and colleagues what happened last someone abused their position to dominate the browser market. They got rich(er) and crippled competition for years to come?
- reitanqild 8y ago
  Well they also got a fine so big [0] that they changed their ways somewhat[1] and still make money. But then again, I know nothing. This is just a feeling I have. [0]: Yes, and I think they also got the message loud and clear that this would just be a start unless they started behaving [1]: not saying they are saints yet, but as a nix user out in the trenches I very much prefer the current Microsoft.

coldtea 8y ago

>And when MS made one with MSIE and used that in Windows, we sent the EU after them. That was because they were a monopoly (among several other reasons, such as "bundling", threatening OEMs and so on). Not because they offered webviews (which was totally irrelevant).

josteink 8y ago
Iirc the embedding in the OS (aka the webview) was one of the major complaints.
- hshehehjdjdjd 8y ago
  But ... chromium is not embedded in the OS?

scrollaway 8y ago

Yes, I had webview in mind when I was writing that comment. But obviously WebViews aren't good enough. We're talking about enough functionality to own a multi-window app. Edit: What I more specifically had in mind was Firefox Prism, from circa 2007. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Prism https://wiki.mozilla.org/Prism Why this stuff didn't take / isn't more popular now, I don't really know.

tambourine_man 8y ago

With the exception of IE/EDGE, all major browsers use an open source rendering engine. It’s a lot easier to argue that a web browser is an essencial part of an OS this way.