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If I got it correct, that is not what is proposed. What is proposed is that you pay an amount of money to a collection agency and then get the right to publish

by phicoh 8y ago

If I got it correct, that is not what is proposed. What is proposed is that you pay an amount of money to a collection agency and then get the right to publish those snippets. I think it is a bad proposal that will do more harm than good. But it is something that can be made to work.

anoncow 8y ago
Has the EU reduced itself to this? They want to be the internet's middlemen? Shame. Had high hopes from the EU, but it seems like someone is pushing an agenda.
JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> What is proposed is that you pay an amount of money to a collection agency and then get the right to publish those snippets Pardon me, so I post a comment on Hacker News and now Y Combinator has to (a) identify Der Spiegel's collection agency, (b) reach out to said agency, (b) negotiate a fee agreement with them, (c) monitor my quoting of Der Spiegel content, (d) remit international payments to Der Spiegel's collection agency and still (e) subject itself to other risks and requirements the fee agreement and EU compliance costs entail. This system having the benefit that when I quote Le Temps, presuming they work with the same collection agency, we cut out step (b). Otherwise all of that again.
- DanBC 8y ago
  Can you point to the article of the proposed regulation that you're talking about please?
  - phicoh 8y ago
    The relevant part should be Amendment 746 http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2014_2019/plmrep/COMMITTEES/JURI/AM/2018/06-20/1124644EN.pdf http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2014_2019/plmrep/COMM...
- phicoh 8y ago
  That's not how it works for existing cases. There is in each country a single agency per section of the law. For example, if you want play music in a restaurant, you know who to contact. In return you get the right to use all music ever created. No need to figure out who owns what.
  - JumpCrisscross 8y ago
    Do you think it's reasonable for Y Combinator to be assessed, by twenty-eight national agencies, fees and fines if I--a non-revenue generating user--quote a European publication in a comment?
- DanBC 8y ago
  That would be an insubstantial use of the material, and so would not be covered by the law. > The rights referred to in the first subparagraph shall not apply in respect of uses of insubstantial parts of a press publication The actual law is bad enough. You don't need to make shit up.
  - jbob2000 8y ago
    There was a post on Reddit a while ago about how someone couldn't watch the livestream of their brother's graduation because the organist played a section from the Star Wars theme. Youtube's automated filter caught that it was a copyrighted work and blocked the entire livestream. To copyright holders nothing is insubstantial. Playing 6 notes from a song is enough to be considered infringement, apparently. There are countless stories of things like people uploading family home videos with the radio playing in the background that get taken down. Copyright enforcement has gone way too far!

by phicoh 8y ago

anoncow 8y ago

Has the EU reduced itself to this? They want to be the internet's middlemen? Shame. Had high hopes from the EU, but it seems like someone is pushing an agenda.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago

> What is proposed is that you pay an amount of money to a collection agency and then get the right to publish those snippets Pardon me, so I post a comment on Hacker News and now Y Combinator has to (a) identify Der Spiegel's collection agency, (b) reach out to said agency, (b) negotiate a fee agreement with them, (c) monitor my quoting of Der Spiegel content, (d) remit international payments to Der Spiegel's collection agency and still (e) subject itself to other risks and requirements the fee agreement and EU compliance costs entail. This system having the benefit that when I quote Le Temps, presuming they work with the same collection agency, we cut out step (b). Otherwise all of that again.

DanBC 8y ago
Can you point to the article of the proposed regulation that you're talking about please?
- phicoh 8y ago
  The relevant part should be Amendment 746 http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2014_2019/plmrep/COMMITTEES/JURI/AM/2018/06-20/1124644EN.pdf http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2014_2019/plmrep/COMM...
phicoh 8y ago
That's not how it works for existing cases. There is in each country a single agency per section of the law. For example, if you want play music in a restaurant, you know who to contact. In return you get the right to use all music ever created. No need to figure out who owns what.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  Do you think it's reasonable for Y Combinator to be assessed, by twenty-eight national agencies, fees and fines if I--a non-revenue generating user--quote a European publication in a comment?
DanBC 8y ago
That would be an insubstantial use of the material, and so would not be covered by the law. > The rights referred to in the first subparagraph shall not apply in respect of uses of insubstantial parts of a press publication The actual law is bad enough. You don't need to make shit up.
- jbob2000 8y ago
  There was a post on Reddit a while ago about how someone couldn't watch the livestream of their brother's graduation because the organist played a section from the Star Wars theme. Youtube's automated filter caught that it was a copyrighted work and blocked the entire livestream. To copyright holders nothing is insubstantial. Playing 6 notes from a song is enough to be considered infringement, apparently. There are countless stories of things like people uploading family home videos with the radio playing in the background that get taken down. Copyright enforcement has gone way too far!