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If I may be so bold, I think that line will get pushed farther out every generation - who will simply accept past work as the then status quo ante. Just a hund

If I may be so bold, I think that line will get pushed farther out every generation - who will simply accept past work as the then status quo ante. Just a hundred years back, cloning would have been considered morally reprehensible. Today, many people accept it as fact. Each generation only pushes the boundary just a bit (in the grand scheme of things) further; and only things far beyond the immediate realm of practical possibility seem thoroughly abominable. There’s also the possiblity that the distaste that a culture/era has for such things is based on the extent to which it has been raised with religious values - which typically tend to deem the work of creation to be in the domain of the divine, not the mortal. As either distance from organized religion grows, or religions adapt their values, future generations exposed to such teachings may find such things to be acceptable as long as they’re not used for “bad” purposes.

XorNot 8y ago
When was cloning considered morally reprehensible? By who's standard are you taking as an authority here?
- alfredallan1 8y ago
  Here’s an article from as late as 1997. “Why Human Cloning Is Immoral” https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=180 https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?rec... 2001 - "Catholic Church Condemns Human Cloning" https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-a-2001-11-26-22-catholic-66407622/549352.html https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-a-2001-11-26-22-catholic-6640... 1998 - Churches Condemn Plan to Clone Humans https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0113/011398.feat.feat.2.html https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0113/011398.feat.feat.2.html I never spoke as an authority, just made some remarks.
  - lostlogin 8y ago
    Surveys of populations have been shown opposition to the idea too. The idea that the Catholic Church might be considered a moral authority to any significant number of people is troubling. https://news.gallup.com/poll/5098/americans-oppose-idea-human-cloning.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/5098/americans-oppose-idea-huma... https://news.gallup.com/poll/5098/americans-oppose-idea-human-cloning.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/5098/americans-oppose-idea-huma...
    - conception 8y ago
      "The idea that the Catholic Church might be considered a moral authority to any significant number of people is troubling." You mean outside of the 1.2 billion Catholics?
      - lostlogin 8y ago
        No, them specifically. The recent developments in Ireland seem to me to be a result of people questions the word of that institution, and that’s a good thing.
- sekh60 8y ago
  I lack any citations, but I remember when I was young and there was a decent amount of talk of ethics on the news in Canada about Dolly the sheep.
economistrator 8y ago
Luckily this is not the only direction: > To test his theory, he nailed his wife’s dog to a board and chopped it open while the poor thing was still alive. https://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/29/descartes-dissected-his-wifes-dog-to-prove-a-point/ https://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/29/descartes-dissected-his...
- ericd 8y ago
  >Descartes never married, but he did have a daughter, Francine, born in the Netherlands in 1635. https://www.biography.com/people/ren-descartes-37613 https://www.biography.com/people/ren-descartes-37613 Not sure if the rest is credible...
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    It might be a misunderstanding. In many languages, there is one commonly used word that translates (out of context) to "wife", "unmarried partner" and "woman" at the same time.
    - dotancohen 8y ago
      אישה That's the word the Bible uses for Eve. It means all three words, as you've mentioned. Being biblical, this form of speech is not uncommon in many European and Middle Eastern cultures and languages.
      - transmissible 8y ago
        Further reading: Helena Jans van der Strom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Descartes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Descartes
        seszett 8y ago
        (edited to match parent) Her mother was Helena Jens, and she was already married to another man at the period this article talks about. Descartes was also back in France while she was still in the Netherlands. Although Descartes did vivisect animals for research purposes, I think it's safe to say that this particular account is an invention.

XorNot 8y ago

When was cloning considered morally reprehensible? By who's standard are you taking as an authority here?

alfredallan1 8y ago
Here’s an article from as late as 1997. “Why Human Cloning Is Immoral” https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=180 https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?rec... 2001 - "Catholic Church Condemns Human Cloning" https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-a-2001-11-26-22-catholic-66407622/549352.html https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-a-2001-11-26-22-catholic-6640... 1998 - Churches Condemn Plan to Clone Humans https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0113/011398.feat.feat.2.html https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0113/011398.feat.feat.2.html I never spoke as an authority, just made some remarks.
- lostlogin 8y ago
  Surveys of populations have been shown opposition to the idea too. The idea that the Catholic Church might be considered a moral authority to any significant number of people is troubling. https://news.gallup.com/poll/5098/americans-oppose-idea-human-cloning.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/5098/americans-oppose-idea-huma... https://news.gallup.com/poll/5098/americans-oppose-idea-human-cloning.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/5098/americans-oppose-idea-huma...
  - conception 8y ago
    "The idea that the Catholic Church might be considered a moral authority to any significant number of people is troubling." You mean outside of the 1.2 billion Catholics?
    - lostlogin 8y ago
      No, them specifically. The recent developments in Ireland seem to me to be a result of people questions the word of that institution, and that’s a good thing.
sekh60 8y ago
I lack any citations, but I remember when I was young and there was a decent amount of talk of ethics on the news in Canada about Dolly the sheep.

economistrator 8y ago

Luckily this is not the only direction: > To test his theory, he nailed his wife’s dog to a board and chopped it open while the poor thing was still alive. https://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/29/descartes-dissected-his-wifes-dog-to-prove-a-point/ https://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/29/descartes-dissected-his...

ericd 8y ago
>Descartes never married, but he did have a daughter, Francine, born in the Netherlands in 1635. https://www.biography.com/people/ren-descartes-37613 https://www.biography.com/people/ren-descartes-37613 Not sure if the rest is credible...
- TomMarius 8y ago
  It might be a misunderstanding. In many languages, there is one commonly used word that translates (out of context) to "wife", "unmarried partner" and "woman" at the same time.
  - dotancohen 8y ago
    אישה That's the word the Bible uses for Eve. It means all three words, as you've mentioned. Being biblical, this form of speech is not uncommon in many European and Middle Eastern cultures and languages.
    - transmissible 8y ago
      Further reading: Helena Jans van der Strom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Descartes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Descartes
      - seszett 8y ago
        (edited to match parent) Her mother was Helena Jens, and she was already married to another man at the period this article talks about. Descartes was also back in France while she was still in the Netherlands. Although Descartes did vivisect animals for research purposes, I think it's safe to say that this particular account is an invention.