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I think you're deliberately confusing what they're talking about. Sure, having a walkable urban center where everyone lives close to the things they need and th
by vertexFarm 8y ago
I think you're deliberately confusing what they're talking about. Sure, having a walkable urban center where everyone lives close to the things they need and they don't create dystopian traffic is great.
But company housing, tenements, indebted servitude, working hours from can't-see until can't-see, is all a spectre from our not-so-distant past which we have mostly forgotten about. Well it's coming back. A labor revolution gave us such amazing leaps in dignity and basic humanity which were sorely lacking after the eruption of the industrial revolution. We take that entirely for granted now, like it can't come back and get us. It can.
People in America are just not educated enough about the horrors of the labor revolution. Our own, not the communist's overseas. Unions exist in this strange historical agnosticism, and people only know them as some kind of cartoon, a mob-ruled bureaucracy that enables hilariously lazy laborers to cite ridiculous rules and get in the way of progress. Well they weren't always that way. It is not common human decency that stops the captains of industry from merely hiring private police forces to mow bad workers down with rifles and artillery. That's our past as well as our cyberpunk future. That stuff can come back if we don't keep maintaining the levee between it and us.
People have an instinct to normalize and rationalize things which happen slowly compared to a human lifetime. Well there's a very real and disastrous difference today in how people work and maintain a decent living. It's becoming more and more like back when a decent living was only reserved for the insanely wealthy, the richest of the rich. Everyone else toiled in disease and squalor fourteen hours a day, breaking their bodies, without any possessions of their own; everything belonged to the company, and they worked just for the privilege to live a week at a time. It really wasn't that long ago. We like to hope that if it comes back we'll still be behind the fence of the upper-middle class, safe from the horror. But the vast majority of us won't.
Working is taking up more and more of our days. Gone is the 8 hours work, 8 hours rest, 8 hours leisure. It's going back to "as many hours as you can physically go without sleep" once again. No benefits, no retirement, no healthcare, no affordable higher education, no affordable family housing aside from company closet tenements with communal utilities, next to a corporate campus but far from a town center. Out in the suburbs with one company store. That will come back in our complacence. Fewer opportunities than our fathers.
- wincy 8y agoGeez man just relax a bit and move to a smaller city. I make 100k and live in a 2200 square foot house with 3 grocery stores within walking distance and a 10 minute commute. Life is pretty easy, I make websites for my companies marketing team. I don’t even have a high school diploma. Nobody is pressuring me to work as many hours a day as possible. California and New York are not the whole world, and things are really great for raising a family in the Midwest. Both of those places seem like a dystopia borne of the city councils own design and people’s willingness to live in a bad environment. And billionaires aren’t going to treat everyone super terrible because any billionaire knows if the peasants aren’t getting their bread instead they want the riches heads. That’s not really a great gambit if you’re ultra rich.
- nisten 8y agoIf you're ultra-rich you can just go to your backup home in New Zealand and comfortably watch all your peasants starve.
- adamsea 8y agoThe problem is your 100K income is exception not the rule. Many if not most people are struggling. And, history shows pretty conclusively the supremely rich have no problem keeping the peasants from their bread, so to speak. The rich either crack the whip and the peasants knuckle under, or, the wealthy delude themselves in thinking all is well right up to the guillotine.
- voltagex_ 8y ago100k is far, far beyond what a lot of people earn.
- HumanDrivenDev 8y agoGeez man just relax a bit and move to a smaller city. I make 100k and live in a 2200 square foot house with 3 grocery stores within walking distance and a 10 minute commute. Life is pretty easy, I make websites for my companies marketing team. Unfortunately not all of us live in America :( 100k USD for a run of the mill web-developer is just not going to happen where I am (New Zealand), and housing is much more expensive too.