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1. does it still require me to use pulseaudio to compile it. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345661 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=

1. does it still require me to use pulseaudio to compile it. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345661 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345661 2. does it still send DNS data to third parties for analytics. https://www.ghacks.net/2018/03/20/firefox-dns-over-https-and-a-worrying-shield-study/ https://www.ghacks.net/2018/03/20/firefox-dns-over-https-and... 3. Am i still required to build Pocket when I build Firefox? are we still forbidden from removing pocket? 4. Is telemetry still shipped on by default? https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/mozilla_considers_move_to_opt_out_telemetry_for_firefox/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/mozilla_considers_m... Then no, its certainly not time for me to try firefox.

make3 8y ago
They mean, as an alternative to Chrome, which is undoubtedly less open then Firefox. So, genuine question, what do you use, then? GNU IceCat?
- tomnipotent 8y ago
  > they mean, as an alternative to Chrome, which is undoubtedly less open then Firefox Chromium is just as open as Firefox.
  - make3 8y ago
    I would bet quite a lot that most of their readers are using Chrome and not Chromium.
  - ufo 8y ago
    Chromium still comes with lots of googly bits https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
    - AlexCoventry 8y ago
      This looks great. Why isn't it available on debian via apt? It seems strongly aligned with debian's values.
stamps 8y ago
What browser do you recommend?
- victords 8y ago
  OP would probably recommend you to write your own browser.
  - anfilt 8y ago
    That would be great. However, the webs standards are bloated as hell. I know you were probably being factitious. However, I think it's a big problem that web standards have gotten so complicated. The browser would also have to backward compatible, and handle mal-formatted and bloated code written by god who knows. There are features that are the antithesis of privacy and disabling some of the features breaks quite a few sites. Sadly, the web is no longer linked documents, but has full blown apps. It's honestly freaking insane.
    - kodablah 8y ago
      You can take something like CEF and build the browser UI around it and avoid this nefariousness.
tomnipotent 8y ago
This sums it up nicely. I refuse to use Firefox until they remove Pocket, it's an absolute tragedy that it was ever included by default and forced onto a user base that never asked for it.
- jasonlotito 8y ago
  What's your problem with them including a technology they own in their browser?
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - tomnipotent 8y ago
    It was acquired so that Mozilla could create a new revenue stream with recommended & sponsored content. To rephrase, they forced a feature on me so that they could sell ads.
    - jasonlotito 8y ago
      Gotcha, that's reasonable. And thanks for answering and not just dismissing the question.
  - huntie 8y ago
    First, they didn't own Pocket when it was first integrated. Second, for years Firefox removed features like tab groups in order to make the browser easier to maintain because that functionality could be added as a plugin. Then they force everyone to use a plugin for a proprietary service? It was very hypocritical of them and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that.
- yolo1897 8y ago
  pocket.enabled in about:config, set the value to “false”.
untog 8y ago
At the risk of stating the extremely obvious to the Linux user that likes to build their browser from source: I don't think the advice in the article was intended for you.
2bitencryption 8y ago
how many sites are you able to render, since you must use Netscape Navigator?
noncoml 8y ago
Completely agree with what you said, but what do you suggest instead?
- vortico 8y ago
  The vim-like browsers that use a Qt-WebKit or WebKit backend are great! https://www.qutebrowser.org/ https://www.qutebrowser.org/ https://luakit.github.io/ https://luakit.github.io/ https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/ https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/ There are other projects like http://midori-browser.org/ http://midori-browser.org/ https://www.falkon.org/ https://www.falkon.org/ https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ https://www.palemoon.org/ https://www.palemoon.org/
callahad 8y ago
1. Yes. The bug you linked to is prominently marked "RESOLVED WONTFIX." 2. We are not sending DNS data to third parties "for analytics." We are openly and transparently conducting a DNS-over-HTTPS (DoH) experiment with a very small portion of users running Nightly test builds of Firefox. The experiment places a massive notification banner in the browser window with prominent buttons to disable or accept the experiment. The details on DoH and how it improves both security and privacy are explained by Lin Clark in https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-over-https/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-ove... (HN discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17196415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17196415). 3. Firefox is Free Software, under an OSI-approved license. You're not "required" to build pocket, nor can or would we "forbid" you from removing it when you build Firefox. ...but you could also save yourself a lot of time and just toggle the "disablePocket" group policy: https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/blob/master/README.md#disablepocket https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/blob/master/READ... Still seems like a really bizarre thing to get hung up on when the extent of "Pocket in Firefox" is a toolbar icon and a section of the new tab page, both of which can be hidden with 1-2 clicks, after which they're completely inert. But hey, whatever floats your goat. 4. Yes, we gather a limited amount of telemetry by default. Unlike other modern platforms, this is always available for your own inspection (see about:telemetry and https://telemetry.mozilla.org/ https://telemetry.mozilla.org/), and you can opt-out with a single checkbox. We actually reduced the telemetry we gather last year: https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-in-firefox-58-2d5df9c428b5 https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-i...
- noncoml 8y ago
  So to summarize: “1-2 clicks” for 3 and “1-2 clicks” for 4. Are these clicks hidden behind the scary disclaimer I get when I enter “about:config”? I think you are being defensive and completely underplaying the effort required by saying “1-2 clicks”. Dude, these things should be opt-in and not opt-out.

make3 8y ago

They mean, as an alternative to Chrome, which is undoubtedly less open then Firefox. So, genuine question, what do you use, then? GNU IceCat?

tomnipotent 8y ago
> they mean, as an alternative to Chrome, which is undoubtedly less open then Firefox Chromium is just as open as Firefox.
- make3 8y ago
  I would bet quite a lot that most of their readers are using Chrome and not Chromium.
- ufo 8y ago
  Chromium still comes with lots of googly bits https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
  - AlexCoventry 8y ago
    This looks great. Why isn't it available on debian via apt? It seems strongly aligned with debian's values.

stamps 8y ago

What browser do you recommend?

victords 8y ago
OP would probably recommend you to write your own browser.
- anfilt 8y ago
  That would be great. However, the webs standards are bloated as hell. I know you were probably being factitious. However, I think it's a big problem that web standards have gotten so complicated. The browser would also have to backward compatible, and handle mal-formatted and bloated code written by god who knows. There are features that are the antithesis of privacy and disabling some of the features breaks quite a few sites. Sadly, the web is no longer linked documents, but has full blown apps. It's honestly freaking insane.
  - kodablah 8y ago
    You can take something like CEF and build the browser UI around it and avoid this nefariousness.

tomnipotent 8y ago

This sums it up nicely. I refuse to use Firefox until they remove Pocket, it's an absolute tragedy that it was ever included by default and forced onto a user base that never asked for it.

jasonlotito 8y ago
What's your problem with them including a technology they own in their browser?
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- tomnipotent 8y ago
  It was acquired so that Mozilla could create a new revenue stream with recommended & sponsored content. To rephrase, they forced a feature on me so that they could sell ads.
  - jasonlotito 8y ago
    Gotcha, that's reasonable. And thanks for answering and not just dismissing the question.
- huntie 8y ago
  First, they didn't own Pocket when it was first integrated. Second, for years Firefox removed features like tab groups in order to make the browser easier to maintain because that functionality could be added as a plugin. Then they force everyone to use a plugin for a proprietary service? It was very hypocritical of them and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that.
yolo1897 8y ago
pocket.enabled in about:config, set the value to “false”.

untog 8y ago

At the risk of stating the extremely obvious to the Linux user that likes to build their browser from source: I don't think the advice in the article was intended for you.

2bitencryption 8y ago

how many sites are you able to render, since you must use Netscape Navigator?

noncoml 8y ago

Completely agree with what you said, but what do you suggest instead?

vortico 8y ago
The vim-like browsers that use a Qt-WebKit or WebKit backend are great! https://www.qutebrowser.org/ https://www.qutebrowser.org/ https://luakit.github.io/ https://luakit.github.io/ https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/ https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/ There are other projects like http://midori-browser.org/ http://midori-browser.org/ https://www.falkon.org/ https://www.falkon.org/ https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ https://www.palemoon.org/ https://www.palemoon.org/

callahad 8y ago

1. Yes. The bug you linked to is prominently marked "RESOLVED WONTFIX." 2. We are not sending DNS data to third parties "for analytics." We are openly and transparently conducting a DNS-over-HTTPS (DoH) experiment with a very small portion of users running Nightly test builds of Firefox. The experiment places a massive notification banner in the browser window with prominent buttons to disable or accept the experiment. The details on DoH and how it improves both security and privacy are explained by Lin Clark in https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-over-https/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-cartoon-intro-to-dns-ove... (HN discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17196415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17196415). 3. Firefox is Free Software, under an OSI-approved license. You're not "required" to build pocket, nor can or would we "forbid" you from removing it when you build Firefox. ...but you could also save yourself a lot of time and just toggle the "disablePocket" group policy: https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/blob/master/README.md#disablepocket https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/blob/master/READ... Still seems like a really bizarre thing to get hung up on when the extent of "Pocket in Firefox" is a toolbar icon and a section of the new tab page, both of which can be hidden with 1-2 clicks, after which they're completely inert. But hey, whatever floats your goat. 4. Yes, we gather a limited amount of telemetry by default. Unlike other modern platforms, this is always available for your own inspection (see about:telemetry and https://telemetry.mozilla.org/ https://telemetry.mozilla.org/), and you can opt-out with a single checkbox. We actually reduced the telemetry we gather last year: https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-in-firefox-58-2d5df9c428b5 https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-i...

noncoml 8y ago
So to summarize: “1-2 clicks” for 3 and “1-2 clicks” for 4. Are these clicks hidden behind the scary disclaimer I get when I enter “about:config”? I think you are being defensive and completely underplaying the effort required by saying “1-2 clicks”. Dude, these things should be opt-in and not opt-out.