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What do you feel this affords you?

by darawk 8y ago

paganel 8y ago
In case yours was a serious question: human interaction (actually talking with a human on the phone), not giving my CC details to yet another company, like I said, not being tracked by the same company (which was caught doing some pretty not-cool stuff).
- gowld 8y ago
  Why isn't using an app a human interaction? Just like a phone call, it's a communication mediated by technology, not a direct contact.
  - paganel 8y ago
    Because there's no human voice at the other end of the communication channel...? I mean, I don't want to sound rude or anything, but isn't that obvious? Am I already in the wrong demographic because of my age (late 30s)? Do people nowadays equate using a phone app with genuine human interaction?
    - dual_basis 8y ago
      "Yeah, and nobody writes letters anymore!" - Grandpa "Are you kidding? Too many people write things down, it causes forgetfulness." - Socrates I don't see what value a 2 minute conversation with a human who is essentially following a script and pressing the same buttons on their end that you could have pushed on yours has. Despite the audio portion of the human's voice, this is still an extremely shallow form of human interaction. You are better off saving the time and having a more meaningful connection with someone else later.
      - paganel 8y ago
        Then you have to wonder: why speak with non-strangers at all? Apart from a couple of friends and close family pretty much all human interactions are “shallow” by definition. You might see that as a “bug” that wastes us time but instead I see it as a feature that helps us remain in one congruent piece as a functioning society. Thanks for bringing Socrates into the discussion, but I think Asimov is more suited for it, I’m thinking of one of his stories where sometime in the future humans live isolated from each other on big farms, surrounded only by robots, with all communications happening through some sort of screens (if I remember correctly).
- briandear 8y ago
  I specifically don’t want human interaction for menial things. It’s a waste of my time and adds no value to the transaction. If I neee a friend, I’ll talk to a friend. As far as CC details, we have fraud protection and can disable a card at the first sign of trouble. With Apple Pay it’s even more secure.
  - paganel 8y ago
    > It’s a waste of my time and adds no value to the transaction. It’s a waste of my time and adds no value to the transaction. I find this attitude extremely alienating, at least in my case. I've been through several dark periods in my life and having constant human interactions even for "menial things" was one of the things that has kept me above the water, so to speak. I also don't associate human interactions (even with strangers) to making "transactions" or the like, that, to a person like me, looks like treating people as means instead of ends in themselves (I'm a kantian when it comes to morals, or at least I try to). We cannot keep a compact and well-functioning society if we start seeing talking with other people as "menial things" or "transactions". > as far as CC details, we have fraud protection In my country (in Eastern-Europe) CC fraud protection is a joke. Even if that weren't the case, I don't want a 3rd party to have access to my finances if I can avoid it.
paulie_a 8y ago
You get the pleasure of dealing with some of the most miserable people in the first world. Seriously though taxi drivers are unequivocally the worst customer facing people to deal with.

What do you feel this affords you?

by darawk 8y ago

What do you feel this affords you?

In case yours was a serious question: human interaction (actually talking with a human on the phone), not giving my CC details to yet another company, like I said, not being tracked by the same company (which was caught doing some pretty not-cool stuff).

gowld 8y ago
Why isn't using an app a human interaction? Just like a phone call, it's a communication mediated by technology, not a direct contact.
- paganel 8y ago
  Because there's no human voice at the other end of the communication channel...? I mean, I don't want to sound rude or anything, but isn't that obvious? Am I already in the wrong demographic because of my age (late 30s)? Do people nowadays equate using a phone app with genuine human interaction?
  - dual_basis 8y ago
    "Yeah, and nobody writes letters anymore!" - Grandpa "Are you kidding? Too many people write things down, it causes forgetfulness." - Socrates I don't see what value a 2 minute conversation with a human who is essentially following a script and pressing the same buttons on their end that you could have pushed on yours has. Despite the audio portion of the human's voice, this is still an extremely shallow form of human interaction. You are better off saving the time and having a more meaningful connection with someone else later.
    - paganel 8y ago
      Then you have to wonder: why speak with non-strangers at all? Apart from a couple of friends and close family pretty much all human interactions are “shallow” by definition. You might see that as a “bug” that wastes us time but instead I see it as a feature that helps us remain in one congruent piece as a functioning society. Thanks for bringing Socrates into the discussion, but I think Asimov is more suited for it, I’m thinking of one of his stories where sometime in the future humans live isolated from each other on big farms, surrounded only by robots, with all communications happening through some sort of screens (if I remember correctly).
briandear 8y ago
I specifically don’t want human interaction for menial things. It’s a waste of my time and adds no value to the transaction. If I neee a friend, I’ll talk to a friend. As far as CC details, we have fraud protection and can disable a card at the first sign of trouble. With Apple Pay it’s even more secure.
- paganel 8y ago
  > It’s a waste of my time and adds no value to the transaction. It’s a waste of my time and adds no value to the transaction. I find this attitude extremely alienating, at least in my case. I've been through several dark periods in my life and having constant human interactions even for "menial things" was one of the things that has kept me above the water, so to speak. I also don't associate human interactions (even with strangers) to making "transactions" or the like, that, to a person like me, looks like treating people as means instead of ends in themselves (I'm a kantian when it comes to morals, or at least I try to). We cannot keep a compact and well-functioning society if we start seeing talking with other people as "menial things" or "transactions". > as far as CC details, we have fraud protection In my country (in Eastern-Europe) CC fraud protection is a joke. Even if that weren't the case, I don't want a 3rd party to have access to my finances if I can avoid it.

paulie_a 8y ago

You get the pleasure of dealing with some of the most miserable people in the first world. Seriously though taxi drivers are unequivocally the worst customer facing people to deal with.