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Not sure how security staff can solve any of those first two problems. Sure, they might learn to recognize some faces, but if you have even 100 students in a s

Not sure how security staff can solve any of those first two problems. Sure, they might learn to recognize some faces, but if you have even 100 students in a small school, there could be at least 200 parents between bio/non-biological parents. As far as sex offenders, how do you expect a random security officer to know a random individual's face? It just isn't possible. Either way they might need to take a photo of the person to see if they can be found on any threatening lists.

gowld 8y ago
Check ID at the door. Or just don't build expensive complicated abusable technologies for problems that almost entirely non-issues.
AlexandrB 8y ago
> Sure, they might learn to recognize some faces, but if you have even 100 students in a small school, there could be at least 200 parents between bio/non-biological parents. Wait. So not only does the school have to buy these expensive camera systems, but the parents also have to give up their privacy rights by feeding their facial information into a database (a very well maintained one I'm sure /s). All for a system that has a significant false-positive/negative rate and might increase security slightly. That's not to mention the corner cases. Last year I picked up my niece from school because my sister was busy. Should everyone in the child's extended family have to go into the database? What about changes in the child's circumstances (e.g. divorce). Many Amber alerts are one parent kidnapping their own child as part of a custody dispute. Should the system track visitation rights too? Finally, who's going to be held accountable when any of this complexity fails and some random parent is arrested because "the system" thought they were only allowed to see Suzy on Tuesdays but it's Thursday. My guess is no one. Somehow we, as a society, have come to accept that it's ok for tons of innocent people to suffer humiliation and degradation at the hands of the state if it increases our safety (or even just our perception of safety) by 0.01%.
- decebalus1 8y ago
  > Somehow we, as a society, have come to accept that it's ok for tons of innocent people to suffer humiliation and degradation at the hands of the state if it increases our safety (or even just our perception of safety) by 0.01%. Easy. Fear and social pressure. "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” – Hermann Goering
- spike021 8y ago
  Just FYI, I'm not advocating for/against. I was just bringing up a point that the OP seemed to miss.
decebalus1 8y ago
> As far as sex offenders, how do you expect a random security officer to know a random individual's face? It just isn't possible I wasn't aware that a random adult can wonder around inside the school without someone asking him/her what's up, especially with the 'see something say something' and 'stranger danger' culture which has haunted America for the past decades. I am aware though that the US has built a well maintained blacklist of unpersons (sex offender registry) which can be consulted when checking for ID by.. hold on, this is very innovative.. security staff!
- spike021 8y ago
  Certainly they can't just wander freely inside and would be questioned, but even if said person is asked to show their ID the person doing the questioning likely won't know offhand what the person's history is. However, there may be people on the outskirts of the school looking in. I know when I was in all levels of school there were fences and areas where anybody could just loiter and hang out, and not necessarily look particularly suspicious.

gowld 8y ago

Check ID at the door. Or just don't build expensive complicated abusable technologies for problems that almost entirely non-issues.

AlexandrB 8y ago

> Sure, they might learn to recognize some faces, but if you have even 100 students in a small school, there could be at least 200 parents between bio/non-biological parents. Wait. So not only does the school have to buy these expensive camera systems, but the parents also have to give up their privacy rights by feeding their facial information into a database (a very well maintained one I'm sure /s). All for a system that has a significant false-positive/negative rate and might increase security slightly. That's not to mention the corner cases. Last year I picked up my niece from school because my sister was busy. Should everyone in the child's extended family have to go into the database? What about changes in the child's circumstances (e.g. divorce). Many Amber alerts are one parent kidnapping their own child as part of a custody dispute. Should the system track visitation rights too? Finally, who's going to be held accountable when any of this complexity fails and some random parent is arrested because "the system" thought they were only allowed to see Suzy on Tuesdays but it's Thursday. My guess is no one. Somehow we, as a society, have come to accept that it's ok for tons of innocent people to suffer humiliation and degradation at the hands of the state if it increases our safety (or even just our perception of safety) by 0.01%.

decebalus1 8y ago
> Somehow we, as a society, have come to accept that it's ok for tons of innocent people to suffer humiliation and degradation at the hands of the state if it increases our safety (or even just our perception of safety) by 0.01%. Easy. Fear and social pressure. "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” – Hermann Goering
spike021 8y ago
Just FYI, I'm not advocating for/against. I was just bringing up a point that the OP seemed to miss.

decebalus1 8y ago

> As far as sex offenders, how do you expect a random security officer to know a random individual's face? It just isn't possible I wasn't aware that a random adult can wonder around inside the school without someone asking him/her what's up, especially with the 'see something say something' and 'stranger danger' culture which has haunted America for the past decades. I am aware though that the US has built a well maintained blacklist of unpersons (sex offender registry) which can be consulted when checking for ID by.. hold on, this is very innovative.. security staff!

spike021 8y ago
Certainly they can't just wander freely inside and would be questioned, but even if said person is asked to show their ID the person doing the questioning likely won't know offhand what the person's history is. However, there may be people on the outskirts of the school looking in. I know when I was in all levels of school there were fences and areas where anybody could just loiter and hang out, and not necessarily look particularly suspicious.