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I can think of a few use cases. Identify when non custodial parents are on campus. When sex offenders are in the area. Identifying drug dealers that target scho

I can think of a few use cases. Identify when non custodial parents are on campus. When sex offenders are in the area. Identifying drug dealers that target school children. Identifying arsonists, vandals, kids triggering emergency systems. It might even be used to track bullying, tardiness, and absenteeism which is less workload on understaffed teachers. If it was all confined to local systems and access was limited to a few authorized persons it may make parents a lot more comfortable and give them solid data for parenting.

decebalus1 8y ago
> Identify when non custodial parents are on campus Security staff > When sex offenders are in the area Security staff > Identifying drug dealers that target school children. Identifying arsonists, vandals, kids triggering emergency systems. It might even be used to track bullying, tardiness, and absenteeism which is less workload on understaffed teachers. All of these can be solved by not understaffing teachers. > If it was all confined to local systems and access was limited to a few authorized persons it may make parents a lot more comfortable and give them solid data for parenting. What kind of solid data and how exactly would it influence this data-driven parenting? Are we talking A/B testing home packed lunches or getting a god-view of their kids friend circle? I also dream of a world in which I can collect metrics about my kids and their whereabouts to correlate them with how much allowance they get and whether I put gluten in their food or not. Because I didn't have kids, I birthed services/products which need to be optimized for peak performance! I can also think of a good use case. Prepare the future generation for constant surveillance and indoctrinate people in schools that privacy is dead and buried.
- spike021 8y ago
  Not sure how security staff can solve any of those first two problems. Sure, they might learn to recognize some faces, but if you have even 100 students in a small school, there could be at least 200 parents between bio/non-biological parents. As far as sex offenders, how do you expect a random security officer to know a random individual's face? It just isn't possible. Either way they might need to take a photo of the person to see if they can be found on any threatening lists.
  - gowld 8y ago
    Check ID at the door. Or just don't build expensive complicated abusable technologies for problems that almost entirely non-issues.
  - AlexandrB 8y ago
    > Sure, they might learn to recognize some faces, but if you have even 100 students in a small school, there could be at least 200 parents between bio/non-biological parents. Wait. So not only does the school have to buy these expensive camera systems, but the parents also have to give up their privacy rights by feeding their facial information into a database (a very well maintained one I'm sure /s). All for a system that has a significant false-positive/negative rate and might increase security slightly. That's not to mention the corner cases. Last year I picked up my niece from school because my sister was busy. Should everyone in the child's extended family have to go into the database? What about changes in the child's circumstances (e.g. divorce). Many Amber alerts are one parent kidnapping their own child as part of a custody dispute. Should the system track visitation rights too? Finally, who's going to be held accountable when any of this complexity fails and some random parent is arrested because "the system" thought they were only allowed to see Suzy on Tuesdays but it's Thursday. My guess is no one. Somehow we, as a society, have come to accept that it's ok for tons of innocent people to suffer humiliation and degradation at the hands of the state if it increases our safety (or even just our perception of safety) by 0.01%.
    - decebalus1 8y ago
      > Somehow we, as a society, have come to accept that it's ok for tons of innocent people to suffer humiliation and degradation at the hands of the state if it increases our safety (or even just our perception of safety) by 0.01%. Easy. Fear and social pressure. "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” – Hermann Goering
    - spike021 8y ago
      Just FYI, I'm not advocating for/against. I was just bringing up a point that the OP seemed to miss.

decebalus1 8y ago

> Identify when non custodial parents are on campus Security staff > When sex offenders are in the area Security staff > Identifying drug dealers that target school children. Identifying arsonists, vandals, kids triggering emergency systems. It might even be used to track bullying, tardiness, and absenteeism which is less workload on understaffed teachers. All of these can be solved by not understaffing teachers. > If it was all confined to local systems and access was limited to a few authorized persons it may make parents a lot more comfortable and give them solid data for parenting. What kind of solid data and how exactly would it influence this data-driven parenting? Are we talking A/B testing home packed lunches or getting a god-view of their kids friend circle? I also dream of a world in which I can collect metrics about my kids and their whereabouts to correlate them with how much allowance they get and whether I put gluten in their food or not. Because I didn't have kids, I birthed services/products which need to be optimized for peak performance! I can also think of a good use case. Prepare the future generation for constant surveillance and indoctrinate people in schools that privacy is dead and buried.

spike021 8y ago
Not sure how security staff can solve any of those first two problems. Sure, they might learn to recognize some faces, but if you have even 100 students in a small school, there could be at least 200 parents between bio/non-biological parents. As far as sex offenders, how do you expect a random security officer to know a random individual's face? It just isn't possible. Either way they might need to take a photo of the person to see if they can be found on any threatening lists.
- gowld 8y ago
  Check ID at the door. Or just don't build expensive complicated abusable technologies for problems that almost entirely non-issues.
- AlexandrB 8y ago
  > Sure, they might learn to recognize some faces, but if you have even 100 students in a small school, there could be at least 200 parents between bio/non-biological parents. Wait. So not only does the school have to buy these expensive camera systems, but the parents also have to give up their privacy rights by feeding their facial information into a database (a very well maintained one I'm sure /s). All for a system that has a significant false-positive/negative rate and might increase security slightly. That's not to mention the corner cases. Last year I picked up my niece from school because my sister was busy. Should everyone in the child's extended family have to go into the database? What about changes in the child's circumstances (e.g. divorce). Many Amber alerts are one parent kidnapping their own child as part of a custody dispute. Should the system track visitation rights too? Finally, who's going to be held accountable when any of this complexity fails and some random parent is arrested because "the system" thought they were only allowed to see Suzy on Tuesdays but it's Thursday. My guess is no one. Somehow we, as a society, have come to accept that it's ok for tons of innocent people to suffer humiliation and degradation at the hands of the state if it increases our safety (or even just our perception of safety) by 0.01%.
  - decebalus1 8y ago
    > Somehow we, as a society, have come to accept that it's ok for tons of innocent people to suffer humiliation and degradation at the hands of the state if it increases our safety (or even just our perception of safety) by 0.01%. Easy. Fear and social pressure. "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” – Hermann Goering
  - spike021 8y ago
    Just FYI, I'm not advocating for/against. I was just bringing up a point that the OP seemed to miss.