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What is this, bag-on-YAML day at HN? I am really beginning to hate programmer-centric tooling. It has turned all of us into these miserable, cretinous engineer

by tomc1985 8y ago

What is this, bag-on-YAML day at HN? I am really beginning to hate programmer-centric tooling. It has turned all of us into these miserable, cretinous engineering snobs. It seems impossible for anyone to contemplate why people would choose to work differently than them. Zero empathy. Fucking pathetic. Make software hard again, I say. Treat the compiler like you would treat your dominatrix. Life would be so much better that way!

iainmerrick 8y ago
At least the other link was a clear, well-written, well-reasoned article. I have no idea what this one is.
- ghuntley 8y ago
  It's a silly rant about feelings. Spin up a decent sized Kubernetes cluster or use CloudFormation and please report back how you feel 6 months later.
  - iainmerrick 8y ago
    Kubernetes grew out of Borg, right? Ever use borgcfg?
    - ghuntley 8y ago
      Nah. Can you reference any public examples of an example cfg out in the wild?
      - iainmerrick 8y ago
        The first google hit I get is a presentation that includes a very small config sample: http://www.hpts.ws/papers/2015/wilkes.pdf http://www.hpts.ws/papers/2015/wilkes.pdf The second hit is a google+ post wailing “arrrrgh, somebody reinvented borgcfg for Kubernetes” :) I’m guessing the switch to YAML, even though it might be a bit tedious, was an explicit reaction to the fact that the ultra-programmable borgcfg turned out to cause some big headaches.
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- PlanarFreak 8y ago
  I'm with you on this one. I enjoyed reading the arp242 article, but this one's like a bad meme - an incomprehensible mish-mash of links and emojis.
  - seandougall 8y ago
    Not to mention fatal JS errors on mobile.
andrewguenther 8y ago
bag-on-on-YAML-and-provide-no-useful-alternatives day
- jrs95 8y ago
  HCL is pretty good
- mcphage 8y ago
  HOCON, from the Scala community, is great. It’s specifically designed for configure files (as opposed to data transfer) so has a bunch of features that make that easier.

iainmerrick 8y ago

At least the other link was a clear, well-written, well-reasoned article. I have no idea what this one is.

ghuntley 8y ago
It's a silly rant about feelings. Spin up a decent sized Kubernetes cluster or use CloudFormation and please report back how you feel 6 months later.
- iainmerrick 8y ago
  Kubernetes grew out of Borg, right? Ever use borgcfg?
  - ghuntley 8y ago
    Nah. Can you reference any public examples of an example cfg out in the wild?
    - iainmerrick 8y ago
      The first google hit I get is a presentation that includes a very small config sample: http://www.hpts.ws/papers/2015/wilkes.pdf http://www.hpts.ws/papers/2015/wilkes.pdf The second hit is a google+ post wailing “arrrrgh, somebody reinvented borgcfg for Kubernetes” :) I’m guessing the switch to YAML, even though it might be a bit tedious, was an explicit reaction to the fact that the ultra-programmable borgcfg turned out to cause some big headaches.
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PlanarFreak 8y ago
I'm with you on this one. I enjoyed reading the arp242 article, but this one's like a bad meme - an incomprehensible mish-mash of links and emojis.
- seandougall 8y ago
  Not to mention fatal JS errors on mobile.

andrewguenther 8y ago

bag-on-on-YAML-and-provide-no-useful-alternatives day

jrs95 8y ago
HCL is pretty good
mcphage 8y ago
HOCON, from the Scala community, is great. It’s specifically designed for configure files (as opposed to data transfer) so has a bunch of features that make that easier.