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Absolutely disgusting, there's really not much more nuance to this. I can't fathom a situation where we want to automate what should be human interactions. Talk
by gorpomon 8y ago
Absolutely disgusting, there's really not much more nuance to this. I can't fathom a situation where we want to automate what should be human interactions. Talking with children, in person, where they can learn from their mistakes, is a great way to create long lasting discipline. Sure it's hard work, but if we offload this to computers we're actively removing humanity from the situation.
- fake-name 8y ago> I can't fathom a situation where we want to automate what should be human interactions. I can. When you're a for-profit organization. People are expensive. This is basically late-stage capitalism.
- mschuster91 8y ago> but if we offload this to computers we're actively removing humanity from the situation. This massively reminds me of the "The machine fired me" [0] post from today morning's HN front page. Or, for what it matters, of the inhumanity that currently goes on in the US, with even toddlers being detained (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tender-age-shelters-trump-border-family-separations_us_5b29d2d0e4b05d6c16c8c122 https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tender-age-shelters-tru...). Following orders, eh? > I can't fathom a situation where we want to automate what should be human interactions. I can, it's called fascism. Break the individual responsibility of a human down and you can get them to do anything. There is a reason why in firing squads some members always have blank magazines [1] and why in the lethal injection sites a random of the required buttons for delivery will not work[2]. The individual member can try to evade responsibility by thinking "it was my button/gun that had the blanks" (apparently called "Diffusion of responsibility"). I recommend everyone able to do so a visit to Europe and one of the concentration camps the Nazis built. No matter which one, there are more than enough sites to remind us of what humans can do. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17350645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17350645 (thanks to @larkeith for pointing it out) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_firing_squad#Blank_cartridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_firing_squad#Blan... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Procedure_in_U.S._executions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Procedure_in_...
- lainga 8y agoAs they say, Mussolini made the trains driverless.
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- lockes5hadow 8y agoI can't find the article you mention, "A machine fired me". Do you have a link?
- larkeith 8y agoDiscussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17350645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17350645 Direct link: https://idiallo.com/blog/when-a-machine-fired-me https://idiallo.com/blog/when-a-machine-fired-me
- pmh 8y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17350645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17350645
- gowld 8y agoContinuing off-topic... What of the inhumanity of parents dragging their toddlers across national borders without a plan to safely reach a destination?
- kickopotomus 8y agoYeah, you are right. They should have just ditched the kid and crossed alone. /s
- GyYZTfWBfQw 8y agoHow about not taking the risk, considering you know damn well what's likely to happen? Continuing... "it's inhumane to separate kids from their parents".. Yeah, kids belong in jail too, with their parents! /s
- darawk 8y ago> I can't fathom a situation where we want to automate what should be human interactions. Really? You'd rather call the taxi company and make an appointment with a person than use Uber? You'd rather ask a librarian to do your google searches for you?
- tylerhou 8y agoHe said "we shouldn't automate what we shouldn't automate", not "we shouldn't automate anything."
- darawk 8y agoYes, which is a pointless tautology.
- tylerhou 8y agoOkay, but then your response is just as pointless as his tautology.
- darawk 8y agoMy point is that "should be human interactions" is a meaningless standard. The only way it could be meaningful is if it meant "anything that used to involve human interaction, and now doesn't". I was rebutting that interpretation of it, which seemed to me to be what the OP was implying.
- candu 8y agoThey provided a pretty clear example: actually talking to children is important to develop socialization and maturity (read: executive function). This is one area where machines absolutely cannot do the job anywhere near equally well - i.e., something that should involve human interaction.
- darawk 8y ago
- matte_black 8y agoDon't be so hyperbolic. Try to focus on all the good things this kind of technology can do. Kids skipping class, kids beating up other kids, even someone walking in with a weapon: these kinds of things can be detected and handled more efficiently and promptly with a system like this at scale.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoBeing able to ever more efficiently and effectively prove just how bad things are so punishment can be doled out after the fact isn't some means to foster a trusting, trustworthy and civilized environment.
- matte_black 8y agoTrust, but always verify.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoPolicies along the lines of The beatings shall continue until morale improves have a very long track record of failure.
- matte_black 8y agoI know many of you in HN live in perfect idealistic communities, but let me tell you: I went to a shitty school with police coming by everyday and a poor graduation rate. I got the shit beaten out of me more times than I care to remember, for things like "not helping some kid cheat on a test". Nobody cared, and there was no way to prove it anyway. If I said anything it only meant I would get beat up outside of school. I felt unsafe every damn day in high school, and it certainly wasn't because some facial recognition tech was watching my every move. But whatever, keep trusting those kids to eventually behave. Personally, I just hope karma got them in the end.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago