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> Yet Musk claimed this was an excuse for Tesla missing their 5000 units/week goal yet again. Citation?

by tomp 8y ago

gamblor956 8y ago
The citation was provided...Bloomberg has been estimated Tesla production based on VIN numbers, etc. It's a rough estimate that isn't really accurate on a daily or weekly scale but tends to be accurate at the monthly level. At any rate, Tesla is purportedly redirecting finished cars to non-US buyers or is holding back finished cars to avoid triggering the phase-out of EV-related tax rebates once they hit the 200k car milestone.
- guntars 8y ago
  Huh? The citation that Elon blames the employee being sued for missing the 5000/wk plan.
- Diederich 8y ago
  I think the citation requested was for Musk claiming that they were missing their numbers because of this activity.
- martythemaniak 8y ago
  > Yet Musk claimed this was an excuse for Tesla missing their 5000 units/week goal yet again And where in your Bloomberg link does it say anything of the sort?
atomicUpdate 8y ago
This CNBC article: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/elon-musk-email-employee-conducted-extensive-and-damaging-sabotage.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/elon-musk-email-employee-con... It states there was a fire and that Musk references possible Sabotage. Then Musk says there is a real saboteur. > Musk said this person had conducted "quite extensive and damaging sabotage" to the company's operations, including by changing code to an internal product and exporting data to outsiders. Most people (myself included) assumed the sabotage he hinted at was done by the saboteur they caught who was intentionally trying to slow down Model 3 production to benefit "short sellers and oil and gas companies". Instead, Tripp just offloaded some data from a completely unrelated factory. It feels like Musk was intentionally trying to conflate the two, since another fire is obviously bad news and making people believe it was the result of sabotage (with a real saboteur already caught) rather than just poorly run operations is in his best interest.
- marvin 8y ago
  Unless I am misreading badly, Musk does not say anywhere in this e-mail that "this was an excuse for Tesla missing their 5000 units/week goal". Musk states that Tesla is investigating whether this person was receiving any outside impetus, and warning employees to be extra vigilant for signs of sabotage during the next few weeks, but that wasn't what OP claimed. Any deliberate attempt by Musk at conflating these different events is up to interpretation, but note that this is an internal e-mail and not a press release. It's easiest to just interpret this message at face value.
  - avs733 8y ago
    Yeah but thats the point...imply it through your language rather than state it explicitly. It's intellectually dishonest.
    - marvin 8y ago
      I don't read such an implication, honestly. It certainly could be interpreted that way, but if one did, one would already have made some assumptions oneself. I just don't see how this matches up with Musk's brutally direct tone on other occasions. Misleading your own employees like this seems like it would be counterproductive. Not to mention, it would be obvious to any insider that this wasn't the reason for the struggles with ramping production - they have been behind the (admittedly heavily accelerated, since the 2015 plan) schedule for months.
mlindner 8y ago
There is no citation. Animats is making things up to satisfy his hatred of Tesla.
- dang 8y ago
  That crosses into personal attack, which is a bannable offense on HN, so please don't do this again. Edit: since we've warned you before and you've done it repeatedly since then, I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

> Yet Musk claimed this was an excuse for Tesla missing their 5000 units/week goal yet again. Citation?

by tomp 8y ago

> Yet Musk claimed this was an excuse for Tesla missing their 5000 units/week goal yet again. Citation?

The citation was provided...Bloomberg has been estimated Tesla production based on VIN numbers, etc. It's a rough estimate that isn't really accurate on a daily or weekly scale but tends to be accurate at the monthly level. At any rate, Tesla is purportedly redirecting finished cars to non-US buyers or is holding back finished cars to avoid triggering the phase-out of EV-related tax rebates once they hit the 200k car milestone.

guntars 8y ago
Huh? The citation that Elon blames the employee being sued for missing the 5000/wk plan.
Diederich 8y ago
I think the citation requested was for Musk claiming that they were missing their numbers because of this activity.
martythemaniak 8y ago
> Yet Musk claimed this was an excuse for Tesla missing their 5000 units/week goal yet again And where in your Bloomberg link does it say anything of the sort?

atomicUpdate 8y ago

This CNBC article: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/elon-musk-email-employee-conducted-extensive-and-damaging-sabotage.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/elon-musk-email-employee-con... It states there was a fire and that Musk references possible Sabotage. Then Musk says there is a real saboteur. > Musk said this person had conducted "quite extensive and damaging sabotage" to the company's operations, including by changing code to an internal product and exporting data to outsiders. Most people (myself included) assumed the sabotage he hinted at was done by the saboteur they caught who was intentionally trying to slow down Model 3 production to benefit "short sellers and oil and gas companies". Instead, Tripp just offloaded some data from a completely unrelated factory. It feels like Musk was intentionally trying to conflate the two, since another fire is obviously bad news and making people believe it was the result of sabotage (with a real saboteur already caught) rather than just poorly run operations is in his best interest.

marvin 8y ago
Unless I am misreading badly, Musk does not say anywhere in this e-mail that "this was an excuse for Tesla missing their 5000 units/week goal". Musk states that Tesla is investigating whether this person was receiving any outside impetus, and warning employees to be extra vigilant for signs of sabotage during the next few weeks, but that wasn't what OP claimed. Any deliberate attempt by Musk at conflating these different events is up to interpretation, but note that this is an internal e-mail and not a press release. It's easiest to just interpret this message at face value.
- avs733 8y ago
  Yeah but thats the point...imply it through your language rather than state it explicitly. It's intellectually dishonest.
  - marvin 8y ago
    I don't read such an implication, honestly. It certainly could be interpreted that way, but if one did, one would already have made some assumptions oneself. I just don't see how this matches up with Musk's brutally direct tone on other occasions. Misleading your own employees like this seems like it would be counterproductive. Not to mention, it would be obvious to any insider that this wasn't the reason for the struggles with ramping production - they have been behind the (admittedly heavily accelerated, since the 2015 plan) schedule for months.

mlindner 8y ago

There is no citation. Animats is making things up to satisfy his hatred of Tesla.

dang 8y ago
That crosses into personal attack, which is a bannable offense on HN, so please don't do this again. Edit: since we've warned you before and you've done it repeatedly since then, I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.