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Well, we are good at violence both literally and metaphorically. Turns out that results in more economic, social, and political power.

by jrs95 8y ago

cup-of-tea 8y ago
Oh for crying out loud. Do I have to make it even more clear? "We" are not good at anything. An extremely small percentage of men are good at that. You're commenting on an article about men committing suicide. Did those men have economic, social or political power?
- sctb 8y ago
  You need to make your points more thoughtfully and with less generic inflammation, like the guidelines ask. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - cup-of-tea 8y ago
    Please explain. It's unclear which guideline this violates. There isn't a guideline prohibiting unfashionable views.
    - sctb 8y ago
      > Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. What that means in this case is: don't make inflammatory claims without anything to back them up, don't be personally thorny, etc. Make sure your post has actual information that we can learn from, not just provocation.
      - cup-of-tea 8y ago
        I would say this face to face. What's the inflammatory part?
        dang 8y ago
        For starters, "Oh for crying out loud. Do I have to make it even more clear?" is plain uncivil.
- jrs95 8y ago
  You were implying that women were the more privileged ones. I don’t think that’s true. At the same time, you’re sort of correct here. Most men are not good at that anymore. But we are still better predisposed to dealing with conflict and tend to be more aggressive. This could even be related to the suicide issue — men, for whatever reason, could simply be better (on average) at wielding lethal force than women. And a lot of our social configuration was built around men historically being able to kill and do physical labor. I also think part of what’s driving men to suicide could be related to our current role in society. This would be sort of the original meaning of “toxic masculinity” although I think politics has kind of ruined the term. There is somewhat of a historical example for this: a good number of men who couldn’t provide for their families anymore after The Great Depression killed themselves. And as far as Bourdain himself goes...yes, he had economic, social, and political power, and a pretty good amount of it. He had basically everything you could want in life. That didn’t stop him from killing himself. You can’t really make the argument “men kill themselves more than therefore they have less power than women”.
  - cup-of-tea 8y ago
    > You were implying that women were the more privileged ones I absolutely was not. I was implying that men are not the more privileged ones. Big difference. Surprised I have to explain logic on HN. But this topic really brings out the worst in people, it seems.

Well, we are good at violence both literally and metaphorically. Turns out that results in more economic, social, and political power.

by jrs95 8y ago

Well, we are good at violence both literally and metaphorically. Turns out that results in more economic, social, and political power.

cup-of-tea 8y ago

Oh for crying out loud. Do I have to make it even more clear? "We" are not good at anything. An extremely small percentage of men are good at that. You're commenting on an article about men committing suicide. Did those men have economic, social or political power?

sctb 8y ago
You need to make your points more thoughtfully and with less generic inflammation, like the guidelines ask. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- cup-of-tea 8y ago
  Please explain. It's unclear which guideline this violates. There isn't a guideline prohibiting unfashionable views.
  - sctb 8y ago
    > Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. What that means in this case is: don't make inflammatory claims without anything to back them up, don't be personally thorny, etc. Make sure your post has actual information that we can learn from, not just provocation.
    - cup-of-tea 8y ago
      I would say this face to face. What's the inflammatory part?
      - dang 8y ago
        For starters, "Oh for crying out loud. Do I have to make it even more clear?" is plain uncivil.
jrs95 8y ago
You were implying that women were the more privileged ones. I don’t think that’s true. At the same time, you’re sort of correct here. Most men are not good at that anymore. But we are still better predisposed to dealing with conflict and tend to be more aggressive. This could even be related to the suicide issue — men, for whatever reason, could simply be better (on average) at wielding lethal force than women. And a lot of our social configuration was built around men historically being able to kill and do physical labor. I also think part of what’s driving men to suicide could be related to our current role in society. This would be sort of the original meaning of “toxic masculinity” although I think politics has kind of ruined the term. There is somewhat of a historical example for this: a good number of men who couldn’t provide for their families anymore after The Great Depression killed themselves. And as far as Bourdain himself goes...yes, he had economic, social, and political power, and a pretty good amount of it. He had basically everything you could want in life. That didn’t stop him from killing himself. You can’t really make the argument “men kill themselves more than therefore they have less power than women”.
- cup-of-tea 8y ago
  > You were implying that women were the more privileged ones I absolutely was not. I was implying that men are not the more privileged ones. Big difference. Surprised I have to explain logic on HN. But this topic really brings out the worst in people, it seems.