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Men have to prove that they are "valuable" more often than women. It depends on other factors, and is a generalisation, but i would say that a woman who is a "

Men have to prove that they are "valuable" more often than women. It depends on other factors, and is a generalisation, but i would say that a woman who is a "failure" may not have as gloomy prospects as if he were a man.

lostlogin 8y ago
How? Women are under represented in the board room and there is a pay gap. We can argue about the causes, but I don’t think you could say that they are getting valued higher than men in the section of life that employment represents.
- djohnston 8y ago
  that's not what the commenter is saying.. they're saying that the pressure on men to demonstrate value is higher than it is on women, which when you look at dating habits between men and women becomes obviously clear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy
- seatdrummer 8y ago
  All that says is that men are apparently more valuable for making money and says nothing about the inherent value of men. Men may very well be more valuable to businesses precisely because they need to be in order to have any value to society. The whole women and children first, chivalry, take a bullet for your wife, provide for the family/make a lot of money, draft into military, homeless men not getting access to same welfare as women and children, women have an in group bias towards women and men have a bias towards women as well (Women are wonderful), men getting beat in the street is uncomfortable while a woman getting beat is a major call for action. All of these are value biases towards women and against men. We see it in concern for breast cancer above all other cancers. In general what is socially acceptable is tied to womens' best interest. Once something becomes a women's issue it begins to get solved. Boys are falling behind in academics, they are killing themselves, they work longer hours, they have to stop whining. There are just so many things. I know I've made tons of claims here without sources, but if we are being honest I think we know many of these things are true.
- gascan 8y ago
  There is a category of women whose life-plan is to go to university, meet a smart boy there, marry, and become a stay-at-home mom. There isn't really a category of men who go to university to find a spouse and then become a stay-at-home dad. No judgement on either; but a man who is not successful professionally is generally seen as a deadbeat and has few prospects. A woman has additional options aside from professional success. So, what your parent is suggesting is that men have fewer options, so the pressure is higher. There's also a whole discussion that argues men are not attributed any intrinsic value; their value is all rooted in their success, in what they have accomplished. Women on the other hand, the argument goes, are always attributed intrinsic value. Even if they are not famous, or wealthy, or educated, they are still valued. I can't really pose that argument well though, just thought I'd mention it.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  As a group, women tend to get a high percentage of their support through personal connections -- family, marriage -- based on a value of "caring" for them. If men don't prove themselves, they are much more likely to be kicked to the curb. A very high percentage of street people are male. Women who are homeless are much more likely to crash with family or couch surf. There are complex factors involved in both cases. Male homelessness is also, to some extent, an expression of agency that women often lack and the care that helps put limits on the bottom for women is also a contributing factor to the glass ceiling above. But it is essentially accurate that the world cares less about men and pressures them to prove themselves or GTFO. (So some GTFO permanently by commiting suicide.)

lostlogin 8y ago

How? Women are under represented in the board room and there is a pay gap. We can argue about the causes, but I don’t think you could say that they are getting valued higher than men in the section of life that employment represents.

djohnston 8y ago
that's not what the commenter is saying.. they're saying that the pressure on men to demonstrate value is higher than it is on women, which when you look at dating habits between men and women becomes obviously clear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy
seatdrummer 8y ago
All that says is that men are apparently more valuable for making money and says nothing about the inherent value of men. Men may very well be more valuable to businesses precisely because they need to be in order to have any value to society. The whole women and children first, chivalry, take a bullet for your wife, provide for the family/make a lot of money, draft into military, homeless men not getting access to same welfare as women and children, women have an in group bias towards women and men have a bias towards women as well (Women are wonderful), men getting beat in the street is uncomfortable while a woman getting beat is a major call for action. All of these are value biases towards women and against men. We see it in concern for breast cancer above all other cancers. In general what is socially acceptable is tied to womens' best interest. Once something becomes a women's issue it begins to get solved. Boys are falling behind in academics, they are killing themselves, they work longer hours, they have to stop whining. There are just so many things. I know I've made tons of claims here without sources, but if we are being honest I think we know many of these things are true.
gascan 8y ago
There is a category of women whose life-plan is to go to university, meet a smart boy there, marry, and become a stay-at-home mom. There isn't really a category of men who go to university to find a spouse and then become a stay-at-home dad. No judgement on either; but a man who is not successful professionally is generally seen as a deadbeat and has few prospects. A woman has additional options aside from professional success. So, what your parent is suggesting is that men have fewer options, so the pressure is higher. There's also a whole discussion that argues men are not attributed any intrinsic value; their value is all rooted in their success, in what they have accomplished. Women on the other hand, the argument goes, are always attributed intrinsic value. Even if they are not famous, or wealthy, or educated, they are still valued. I can't really pose that argument well though, just thought I'd mention it.
DoreenMichele 8y ago
As a group, women tend to get a high percentage of their support through personal connections -- family, marriage -- based on a value of "caring" for them. If men don't prove themselves, they are much more likely to be kicked to the curb. A very high percentage of street people are male. Women who are homeless are much more likely to crash with family or couch surf. There are complex factors involved in both cases. Male homelessness is also, to some extent, an expression of agency that women often lack and the care that helps put limits on the bottom for women is also a contributing factor to the glass ceiling above. But it is essentially accurate that the world cares less about men and pressures them to prove themselves or GTFO. (So some GTFO permanently by commiting suicide.)