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edit: You've all made my point for me. Comment removed, Kommissar.

wilsonnb2 8y ago
According to my quick look at wikipedia, consensus seems to be that men choose more lethal means of suicide than women. Women tend to choose things like drug overdoses or wrist cutting, while men tend to choose things like hanging or firearms. Women apparently attempt suicide more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#Differing_methods_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#...
- drblast 8y ago
  I wonder what the numbers would look like if they were instead "number of people who have attempted suicide one or more times" which would seem to be a more meaningful measurement. If you attempt suicide and succeed you're not going to do it again.
- notadoc 8y ago
  Men are more "successful" at suicide, whereas women tend to "fail" more at suicide. Interestingly, the suicide attempts are often categorized as a call for help, as specifically stated by the attempters themselves. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/205075 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/... > Of the attempters, 39.3% (3.5) endorsed the statement that they made a serious attempt, and it was only because of luck that they did not die; while 13.3% (2.1) endorsed the statement that they were serious, but knew the method was not foolproof; and the remaining 47.3% (3.9) endorsed the statement that their attempt was a cry for help, and they did not want to die. It makes you wonder, why the gender discrepancy? Is this cultural? Social? Are women simply better at asking for help than men? Are men simply more stubborn than women?
and0 8y ago
It wasn't even 100 years ago that women couldn't even vote, and equal rights for various minority groups took even longer to catch up. I would argue that those groups at that time must have justifiably felt significantly more "disposable", and yet I don't believe they had astronomical suicide rates to match. The same could be said for the entirety of the third world. Your argument doesn't really make sense in that context. There is a men's mental health epidemic, I'm not trying to diminish that. Where things get tricky is when people lament other groups getting equal representation (politically, culturally, or especially economically) as the reason for it. That is an inherently racist or misogynistic political stance, even when coyly presented devoid of context, because it ultimately must advocate for a return to those inequalities.
- legostormtroopr 8y ago
  It wasn’t even 120 years ago that non-wealthy non-landowners could vote either. Women’s suffrage was a close flow on from universal suffrage. It’s historically dishonest to imply that all men had the vote prior to women when that’s not even remotely close to the truth. Likewise, I’m sure Western/European women felt mighty valuable when generations of me, right up until Vietnam in the 70s when men were still addressing involuntary conscription. Nothing says disposable like being shipped off to war by the boatload.
krapp 8y ago
>You've all made my point for me. Comment removed, Kommissar. I don't see a point having been made, but I do see a coward unable to abide criticism of their opinions. Whatever those were.

According to my quick look at wikipedia, consensus seems to be that men choose more lethal means of suicide than women. Women tend to choose things like drug overdoses or wrist cutting, while men tend to choose things like hanging or firearms. Women apparently attempt suicide more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#Differing_methods_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide#...

drblast 8y ago
I wonder what the numbers would look like if they were instead "number of people who have attempted suicide one or more times" which would seem to be a more meaningful measurement. If you attempt suicide and succeed you're not going to do it again.
notadoc 8y ago
Men are more "successful" at suicide, whereas women tend to "fail" more at suicide. Interestingly, the suicide attempts are often categorized as a call for help, as specifically stated by the attempters themselves. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/205075 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/... > Of the attempters, 39.3% (3.5) endorsed the statement that they made a serious attempt, and it was only because of luck that they did not die; while 13.3% (2.1) endorsed the statement that they were serious, but knew the method was not foolproof; and the remaining 47.3% (3.9) endorsed the statement that their attempt was a cry for help, and they did not want to die. It makes you wonder, why the gender discrepancy? Is this cultural? Social? Are women simply better at asking for help than men? Are men simply more stubborn than women?

and0 8y ago

It wasn't even 100 years ago that women couldn't even vote, and equal rights for various minority groups took even longer to catch up. I would argue that those groups at that time must have justifiably felt significantly more "disposable", and yet I don't believe they had astronomical suicide rates to match. The same could be said for the entirety of the third world. Your argument doesn't really make sense in that context. There is a men's mental health epidemic, I'm not trying to diminish that. Where things get tricky is when people lament other groups getting equal representation (politically, culturally, or especially economically) as the reason for it. That is an inherently racist or misogynistic political stance, even when coyly presented devoid of context, because it ultimately must advocate for a return to those inequalities.

legostormtroopr 8y ago
It wasn’t even 120 years ago that non-wealthy non-landowners could vote either. Women’s suffrage was a close flow on from universal suffrage. It’s historically dishonest to imply that all men had the vote prior to women when that’s not even remotely close to the truth. Likewise, I’m sure Western/European women felt mighty valuable when generations of me, right up until Vietnam in the 70s when men were still addressing involuntary conscription. Nothing says disposable like being shipped off to war by the boatload.

krapp 8y ago

>You've all made my point for me. Comment removed, Kommissar. I don't see a point having been made, but I do see a coward unable to abide criticism of their opinions. Whatever those were.