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Yea, I can’t believe all these people walking around with these spying machines in their pockets. Subjecting the rest of us to their second hand spying. Oh wait

Yea, I can’t believe all these people walking around with these spying machines in their pockets. Subjecting the rest of us to their second hand spying. Oh wait, were we talking about Alexa or cellphones/smartphones?

e1ven 8y ago
Personally, I disable "Hey, Siri" and other watchword interfaces. That said, I think that if someone complains about X, and you reply "But what about Y?!" you're not really addressing their concern.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
  Reminds me of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- piptastic 8y ago
  If a person complains about X while actively doing/using Y, then they are not really addressing their concern either.
- dual_basis 8y ago
  I don't understand this. Presumably you disable "Hey Siri" because you are concerned it is doing more than Apple claims, but if that's the case then why do you trust that disabling it actually disables the parts they don't tell you about?
hueving 8y ago
People with smart phones don't follow me into my hotel room.
chriswarbo 8y ago
> Yea, I can’t believe all these people walking around with these spying machines in their pockets Me either. Your comment sounds sarcastic, but there are people (me included) that find this concerning (not unbelievable though; the incentives are clear). What I find most frustrating is that we've reached the point where even privacy advocates, speaking to privacy advocates at privacy advocacy events (e.g. Open Rights Group) just assume that everyone's carrying a phone, posting to social media, etc. :(
- voidwtf 8y ago
  It was sarcastic, I’ll apologize for that. It’s mostly a frustrated response to all the “they’re listening” comments on every tech thread ever lately. The truth is I think they’re right. The problem I see is most of these same people are using Facebook, Amazon, Google search, Gmail, Windows, Smartphones, Verizon, or one of the many products or services that brazenly and openly hoover up every bit of information for the purpose of selling it or marketing back to them. The expectation to privacy is nearly dead and we’re concerned about all the wrong things. You could make the conscious decision to try and be off-grid, but even that won’t keep you anonymous. Next family BBQ you go to, your family member snaps a picture uploads it to Facebook and tags you in it. Then suddenly it’s reccomending them to be friends with your coworkers because you were tagged in a work photo uploaded to a coworkers Facebook page. Companies are actively collecting astronomical amounts of data, some data they don’t even know how they’re going to use yet. But you don’t get a decision about any of it. At this point I think some of these companies know more about us than we know about ourselves. Government agencies are going to non-governmental agencies to get information they couldn’t legally collect themselves. So yes, I was being sarcastic. I just wish we’d focus on how to take back control of our data and worry less about how they’re collecting it. I’m sure the majority of us are freely giving it away through our choice of services and products. Why would they risk getting caught spying?

e1ven 8y ago

Personally, I disable "Hey, Siri" and other watchword interfaces. That said, I think that if someone complains about X, and you reply "But what about Y?!" you're not really addressing their concern.

X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
Reminds me of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
piptastic 8y ago
If a person complains about X while actively doing/using Y, then they are not really addressing their concern either.
dual_basis 8y ago
I don't understand this. Presumably you disable "Hey Siri" because you are concerned it is doing more than Apple claims, but if that's the case then why do you trust that disabling it actually disables the parts they don't tell you about?

hueving 8y ago

People with smart phones don't follow me into my hotel room.

chriswarbo 8y ago

> Yea, I can’t believe all these people walking around with these spying machines in their pockets Me either. Your comment sounds sarcastic, but there are people (me included) that find this concerning (not unbelievable though; the incentives are clear). What I find most frustrating is that we've reached the point where even privacy advocates, speaking to privacy advocates at privacy advocacy events (e.g. Open Rights Group) just assume that everyone's carrying a phone, posting to social media, etc. :(

voidwtf 8y ago
It was sarcastic, I’ll apologize for that. It’s mostly a frustrated response to all the “they’re listening” comments on every tech thread ever lately. The truth is I think they’re right. The problem I see is most of these same people are using Facebook, Amazon, Google search, Gmail, Windows, Smartphones, Verizon, or one of the many products or services that brazenly and openly hoover up every bit of information for the purpose of selling it or marketing back to them. The expectation to privacy is nearly dead and we’re concerned about all the wrong things. You could make the conscious decision to try and be off-grid, but even that won’t keep you anonymous. Next family BBQ you go to, your family member snaps a picture uploads it to Facebook and tags you in it. Then suddenly it’s reccomending them to be friends with your coworkers because you were tagged in a work photo uploaded to a coworkers Facebook page. Companies are actively collecting astronomical amounts of data, some data they don’t even know how they’re going to use yet. But you don’t get a decision about any of it. At this point I think some of these companies know more about us than we know about ourselves. Government agencies are going to non-governmental agencies to get information they couldn’t legally collect themselves. So yes, I was being sarcastic. I just wish we’d focus on how to take back control of our data and worry less about how they’re collecting it. I’m sure the majority of us are freely giving it away through our choice of services and products. Why would they risk getting caught spying?