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Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?

by tomp 8y ago

dtf 8y ago
"It will be available once the minutes for the meeting have been compiled in the days to come." (from @EP_Legal) https://twitter.com/EP_Legal/status/1009418817393577985 https://twitter.com/EP_Legal/status/1009418817393577985
myfonj 8y ago
Video: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ep-live/en/committees/video?event=20180620-0900-COMMITTEE-JURI http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ep-live/en/committees/video?ev...
andy_ppp 8y ago
I wonder if any of these people have received campaign funding from entrenched industries that benefit from draconian copyright laws? Having said that, GDPR has actually turned out to be a very well thought through piece of legislation - I actually agree with it's premises largely and the fact we can't take a database dump anymore and have full access to people's personal details is an extremely good thing IMO. How Facebook are in compliance with it I have no idea as it would seem impossible to justify a lot of their more intrusive/social features.
- monsieurbanana 8y ago
  Facebook doesn't need to justify it. All they need to do is send a notice to their users asking for consent. How many of them do will read what that entails, and how many of those would decide their privacy is more important for them than facebook?
  - andy_ppp 8y ago
    What I mean is technical issues - searching an encrypted graph database has got to be very complicated!
  - tom_mellior 8y ago
    My understanding is that consent is not sufficient. In addition, data collection must directly serve a legitimate business purpose. Though I guess Facebook has lawyers willing to argue that anything they do serves their core business.
    - mrmr1993 8y ago
      My reading of it was that you need either consent or a legitimate business purpose, not both.[0] [0]: Article 6(1), https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32016R0679 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
      - tom_mellior 8y ago
        Ah, yes. Agreed.
- Kliment 8y ago
  > I wonder if any of these people have received campaign funding from entrenched industries that benefit from draconian copyright laws? Yes. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180531/00285739946/eu-parliament-members-play-hardball-terrible-copyright-policies-article-highlighting-sketchy-tactics-magically-disappears.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180531/00285739946/eu-pa...
  - edwintorok 8y ago
    Wouldn't the "link tax" have a detrimental effect on a site's Pagerank? Lets say someone writes a blogpost on site X and links to site Y, now site Y wants you to pay them for the privilege of linking to them. The blogger might just decide not to link (or save the hassle and not even ask whether they can link without paying). Over time site Y's incoming links drops as nobody is willing to link to it anymore. Good luck with SEO under such rules, in fact it would be nice if Google then offered an easy way to filter out all the sites that require paying to link to them.
Cthulhu_ 8y ago
Here's a previous projection: https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/saveyourinternet/ https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/saveyourinternet/, looks like the EFDD switched their votes.
lumberjack 8y ago
http://www.votewatch.eu/ http://www.votewatch.eu/
- tomp 8y ago
  I couldn't find the vote there... Looks like it's just the Parliament votes? (this was a committee vote)
  - Kliment 8y ago
    Here are the votes: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/149721/juri-committee-result-roll-call-votes-20062018.pdf http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/149721/juri-committee-...
Kliment 8y ago
Yes, here http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/149721/juri-committee-result-roll-call-votes-20062018.pdf http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/149721/juri-committee-...
pergadad 8y ago
Here it is: https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/not-giving-up/ https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/not-giving-up/ Who voted in favour? Conservatives, social democrats, liberals and the Nazi.. uh nationalists. Against? Greens and the left You should be able to find the original list here, by opening the PDF for 20 June: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/juri/votes-in-committee.html?tab=Roll%20call%20votes http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/juri/votes-in-co... The actual content of the amendments is here: http://www.emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/committees/agenda/201806/JURI/JURI(2018)0620_1/sitt-8204228 http://www.emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/committees/agenda/201...
- HumanDrivenDev 8y ago
  the Nazi.. uh nationalists. That's not a constructive way to look at the world. It's the left-wing equivalent of claiming Obama is a Marxist. Get some perspective.

Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?

by tomp 8y ago

Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?

dtf 8y ago

"It will be available once the minutes for the meeting have been compiled in the days to come." (from @EP_Legal) https://twitter.com/EP_Legal/status/1009418817393577985 https://twitter.com/EP_Legal/status/1009418817393577985

myfonj 8y ago

Video: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ep-live/en/committees/video?event=20180620-0900-COMMITTEE-JURI http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ep-live/en/committees/video?ev...

andy_ppp 8y ago

I wonder if any of these people have received campaign funding from entrenched industries that benefit from draconian copyright laws? Having said that, GDPR has actually turned out to be a very well thought through piece of legislation - I actually agree with it's premises largely and the fact we can't take a database dump anymore and have full access to people's personal details is an extremely good thing IMO. How Facebook are in compliance with it I have no idea as it would seem impossible to justify a lot of their more intrusive/social features.

monsieurbanana 8y ago
Facebook doesn't need to justify it. All they need to do is send a notice to their users asking for consent. How many of them do will read what that entails, and how many of those would decide their privacy is more important for them than facebook?
- andy_ppp 8y ago
  What I mean is technical issues - searching an encrypted graph database has got to be very complicated!
- tom_mellior 8y ago
  My understanding is that consent is not sufficient. In addition, data collection must directly serve a legitimate business purpose. Though I guess Facebook has lawyers willing to argue that anything they do serves their core business.
  - mrmr1993 8y ago
    My reading of it was that you need either consent or a legitimate business purpose, not both.[0] [0]: Article 6(1), https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32016R0679 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
    - tom_mellior 8y ago
      Ah, yes. Agreed.
Kliment 8y ago
> I wonder if any of these people have received campaign funding from entrenched industries that benefit from draconian copyright laws? Yes. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180531/00285739946/eu-parliament-members-play-hardball-terrible-copyright-policies-article-highlighting-sketchy-tactics-magically-disappears.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180531/00285739946/eu-pa...
- edwintorok 8y ago
  Wouldn't the "link tax" have a detrimental effect on a site's Pagerank? Lets say someone writes a blogpost on site X and links to site Y, now site Y wants you to pay them for the privilege of linking to them. The blogger might just decide not to link (or save the hassle and not even ask whether they can link without paying). Over time site Y's incoming links drops as nobody is willing to link to it anymore. Good luck with SEO under such rules, in fact it would be nice if Google then offered an easy way to filter out all the sites that require paying to link to them.

Cthulhu_ 8y ago

Here's a previous projection: https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/saveyourinternet/ https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/saveyourinternet/, looks like the EFDD switched their votes.

lumberjack 8y ago

http://www.votewatch.eu/ http://www.votewatch.eu/

tomp 8y ago
I couldn't find the vote there... Looks like it's just the Parliament votes? (this was a committee vote)
- Kliment 8y ago
  Here are the votes: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/149721/juri-committee-result-roll-call-votes-20062018.pdf http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/149721/juri-committee-...

Kliment 8y ago

Yes, here http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/149721/juri-committee-result-roll-call-votes-20062018.pdf http://www.europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/149721/juri-committee-...

pergadad 8y ago

Here it is: https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/not-giving-up/ https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/not-giving-up/ Who voted in favour? Conservatives, social democrats, liberals and the Nazi.. uh nationalists. Against? Greens and the left You should be able to find the original list here, by opening the PDF for 20 June: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/juri/votes-in-committee.html?tab=Roll%20call%20votes http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/juri/votes-in-co... The actual content of the amendments is here: http://www.emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/committees/agenda/201806/JURI/JURI(2018)0620_1/sitt-8204228 http://www.emeeting.europarl.europa.eu/committees/agenda/201...

HumanDrivenDev 8y ago
the Nazi.. uh nationalists. That's not a constructive way to look at the world. It's the left-wing equivalent of claiming Obama is a Marxist. Get some perspective.