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I'm in the UK. Conservative MEP did as you said, Labour one sent a bit of a boilerplate that they are considering it, UKIP are of course against it but thats pa

I'm in the UK. Conservative MEP did as you said, Labour one sent a bit of a boilerplate that they are considering it, UKIP are of course against it but thats par for the course with them, the green one sent a detailed response and is voting against both art 11 and 13 (the ones I raised issue with).

bloak 8y ago
I have had some very intelligent non-boilerplate replies from Green Party UK MEPs. However, it looks as though we won't have another opportunity to vote for them.
- azernik 8y ago
  I've found the Greens Europe-wide to take the EU the most seriously as a political body. They run serious Europe-wide campaigns for EP elections, and send politicians of substance to the EP rather than sending the second string like most other parties do.
nailer 8y ago
Hate them as most people in the UK do (I've never voted for them and wouldn't either), UKIP already resolved this (in a far more permanent way than the greens) by ensuring EU law does not apply to the UK in future.
- fauigerzigerk 8y ago
  What are you going to do next time the UK parliament passes a law you don't like? Dissolve the United Kingdom?
  - noir_lord 8y ago
    Can we? I'd be in favour of dissolving it back to counties with a senate. The south never does anything for us up North.
    - dithering 8y ago
      Yeah, but what have you done for us lately? </ducks>
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    - fauigerzigerk 8y ago
      London economy subsidises rest of UK, ONS figures show https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/23/uk-budget-deficit-grows-to-more-than-10bn-as-people-spend-less https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/23/uk-budget-d...
      - aninhumer 8y ago
        It's not really surprising that the only part of the UK that gets significant investment is the only part that's able to make any money.
        noir_lord 8y ago
        Or that the parts of the UK that traditionally relied on industries that went away but without any real attempt (Northern Powerhouse excepted off course...cough) to replace them. Shrugs, Brexit is going to be interesting if the impact on the financial and legal services is as large as predicted.
  - nailer 8y ago
    Campaign to overturn it - which I feel is more likely to be successful here than in EU, which is comprised of member states with a wide variety of values.
    - fauigerzigerk 8y ago
      I think the variety of values within the UK is just as great as within the EU as a whole. You can never convince everyone and you don't have to. But I also think that not speaking a common language does indeed make campaigning for any particular issue more difficult. It's a trade-off. Not having a say in Europe doesn't necessarily mean you don't have to comply, which will become painfully obvious in the near future.
- Accacin 8y ago
  Well that's completely false. We'll still be abiding by EU laws long after we leave. By 'most people', I'm assuming you mean the 30% who actually voted to leave?
  - ghunbb 8y ago
    > We'll still be abiding by EU laws long after we leave. That's a rather ignorant comment. The 'Great Repeal' bill as it was called was/is - I lose track of where it is in the law process at the moment - effectively did/will do a 'mv' of all EU regulation that the UK was beholden to over its own UK laws and when this has to be done before the UK leaves and will probably be done sooner. Then the parliament will cherry pick the bits they want to keep and update/change/remove those that we do not. > I'm assuming you mean the 30% who actually voted to leave? Actually while the Brexit vote to leave was significantly more than 30%, the past polls that have asked a more specific question of sovereignty/law making by the EU commission that seems to override UK Law is significantly larger than the amount that voted to leave. Voting Leave != Does not like EU Commission making Laws by people the UK did not and cannot vote out.
    - DanBC 8y ago
      > of all EU regulation that the UK was beholden to over its own UK laws There are very few of those. One of the problems people kept banging on about is that the UK "copper bottoms" any EU regulation, making it more onerous than it could be, when they add it to UK law.
    - pknight 8y ago
      Nothing ignorant about the statement that the UK will still be abiding by EU laws long after Brexit day, this is a fact. There's the possibility of diverging in some areas but even so the UK will largely align with the single market to maintain the levels of access it needs. > Voting Leave != Does not like EU Commission making Laws by people the UK did not and cannot vote out. And this betrays a very poor understanding of EU law making while hiding behind the shallow notion of who is elected and ejected on the behest of voters. The UK's political system is not exactly setup to satisfy that notion even after Brexit, since voters have no real choices & accountability is not seriously practiced. Bad politicians even after breaching ministerial code are simply reintroduced after a brief periods in the naughty box. Some are even rewarded for lying by getting high ranking cabinet jobs. Nothing so hollow as Brits handwringing about EU democratic processes while ignoring the problems with its own system.

bloak 8y ago

I have had some very intelligent non-boilerplate replies from Green Party UK MEPs. However, it looks as though we won't have another opportunity to vote for them.

azernik 8y ago
I've found the Greens Europe-wide to take the EU the most seriously as a political body. They run serious Europe-wide campaigns for EP elections, and send politicians of substance to the EP rather than sending the second string like most other parties do.

nailer 8y ago

Hate them as most people in the UK do (I've never voted for them and wouldn't either), UKIP already resolved this (in a far more permanent way than the greens) by ensuring EU law does not apply to the UK in future.

fauigerzigerk 8y ago
What are you going to do next time the UK parliament passes a law you don't like? Dissolve the United Kingdom?
- noir_lord 8y ago
  Can we? I'd be in favour of dissolving it back to counties with a senate. The south never does anything for us up North.
  - dithering 8y ago
    Yeah, but what have you done for us lately? </ducks>
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
  - fauigerzigerk 8y ago
    London economy subsidises rest of UK, ONS figures show https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/23/uk-budget-deficit-grows-to-more-than-10bn-as-people-spend-less https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/23/uk-budget-d...
    - aninhumer 8y ago
      It's not really surprising that the only part of the UK that gets significant investment is the only part that's able to make any money.
      - noir_lord 8y ago
        Or that the parts of the UK that traditionally relied on industries that went away but without any real attempt (Northern Powerhouse excepted off course...cough) to replace them. Shrugs, Brexit is going to be interesting if the impact on the financial and legal services is as large as predicted.
- nailer 8y ago
  Campaign to overturn it - which I feel is more likely to be successful here than in EU, which is comprised of member states with a wide variety of values.
  - fauigerzigerk 8y ago
    I think the variety of values within the UK is just as great as within the EU as a whole. You can never convince everyone and you don't have to. But I also think that not speaking a common language does indeed make campaigning for any particular issue more difficult. It's a trade-off. Not having a say in Europe doesn't necessarily mean you don't have to comply, which will become painfully obvious in the near future.
Accacin 8y ago
Well that's completely false. We'll still be abiding by EU laws long after we leave. By 'most people', I'm assuming you mean the 30% who actually voted to leave?
- ghunbb 8y ago
  > We'll still be abiding by EU laws long after we leave. That's a rather ignorant comment. The 'Great Repeal' bill as it was called was/is - I lose track of where it is in the law process at the moment - effectively did/will do a 'mv' of all EU regulation that the UK was beholden to over its own UK laws and when this has to be done before the UK leaves and will probably be done sooner. Then the parliament will cherry pick the bits they want to keep and update/change/remove those that we do not. > I'm assuming you mean the 30% who actually voted to leave? Actually while the Brexit vote to leave was significantly more than 30%, the past polls that have asked a more specific question of sovereignty/law making by the EU commission that seems to override UK Law is significantly larger than the amount that voted to leave. Voting Leave != Does not like EU Commission making Laws by people the UK did not and cannot vote out.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > of all EU regulation that the UK was beholden to over its own UK laws There are very few of those. One of the problems people kept banging on about is that the UK "copper bottoms" any EU regulation, making it more onerous than it could be, when they add it to UK law.
  - pknight 8y ago
    Nothing ignorant about the statement that the UK will still be abiding by EU laws long after Brexit day, this is a fact. There's the possibility of diverging in some areas but even so the UK will largely align with the single market to maintain the levels of access it needs. > Voting Leave != Does not like EU Commission making Laws by people the UK did not and cannot vote out. And this betrays a very poor understanding of EU law making while hiding behind the shallow notion of who is elected and ejected on the behest of voters. The UK's political system is not exactly setup to satisfy that notion even after Brexit, since voters have no real choices & accountability is not seriously practiced. Bad politicians even after breaching ministerial code are simply reintroduced after a brief periods in the naughty box. Some are even rewarded for lying by getting high ranking cabinet jobs. Nothing so hollow as Brits handwringing about EU democratic processes while ignoring the problems with its own system.