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Your lack of arithmetic is disturbing.

Fins 8y ago
Do you have something more substantial to offer? Or will you suggest that a country where communism is "scientific" and whole areas of science can be banned is actually capable of developing homegrown science? This is laughable on its face.
- m0skit0 8y ago
  You mean like Cuba? https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/01/09/cuba-has-lung-cancer-vaccine-many-u-s-patients-cant-get-without-breaking-law/1019093001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/01/09/cuba-has... Your claim is that most of these Nobel prizes were educated in the Russian Empire is simply false based on their age. Can you provide examples of these whole areas of science banned in the USSR/socialist states?
  - Fins 8y ago
    You could have read the entire sentence -- while there were some remnants of the pre-revolution education teaching in schools, there were Nobels. Once they had died out, and the new generation educated in Soviet schools by Soviet-educated teachers appeared, Nobels went away. I guess you have never heard about genetics? It's generally considered to be a science. Except in USSR where for a long time it was officially termed a pseudo-science and a call-girl of imperialism.
    - m0skit0 8y ago
      Your point is that Soviet education was bad. By 1980 it was as good (if not better) than American education. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_the_... https://www.quora.com/Do-you-believe-Soviet-Union-education-system-was-the-best-in-the-world-at-that-time-Why https://www.quora.com/Do-you-believe-Soviet-Union-education-... https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2ycco6/how_did_the_quality_of_soviet_education_compare/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2ycco6/how_d... What you're talking about is Lysenkoism and it was mostly during Stalin rule. Later Soviet biologists actually criticized Lysenko and the whole anti-genetics stance. Similar movements also happened in Western science, like Social Darwinism for example.
      - Fins 8y ago
        Social Darwinism or anything like that has never been appointed as the one and only TRUE THING with scientific opponents sent off to labor camps. Also, soviet high elementary through high school education was... I'm not sure if "better" is the correct word, but it certainly taught more science than American schools do, if we compare average American school with a good school in Moscow, Leningrad, or similar large cities. College level education in USSR was nowhere near as good as American -- you can't have good education if teaching people to think for themselves is physically dangerous. [Source: I attended better than average schools and a decent college in Moscow]

Fins 8y ago

Do you have something more substantial to offer? Or will you suggest that a country where communism is "scientific" and whole areas of science can be banned is actually capable of developing homegrown science? This is laughable on its face.

m0skit0 8y ago
You mean like Cuba? https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/01/09/cuba-has-lung-cancer-vaccine-many-u-s-patients-cant-get-without-breaking-law/1019093001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/01/09/cuba-has... Your claim is that most of these Nobel prizes were educated in the Russian Empire is simply false based on their age. Can you provide examples of these whole areas of science banned in the USSR/socialist states?
- Fins 8y ago
  You could have read the entire sentence -- while there were some remnants of the pre-revolution education teaching in schools, there were Nobels. Once they had died out, and the new generation educated in Soviet schools by Soviet-educated teachers appeared, Nobels went away. I guess you have never heard about genetics? It's generally considered to be a science. Except in USSR where for a long time it was officially termed a pseudo-science and a call-girl of imperialism.
  - m0skit0 8y ago
    Your point is that Soviet education was bad. By 1980 it was as good (if not better) than American education. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_the_... https://www.quora.com/Do-you-believe-Soviet-Union-education-system-was-the-best-in-the-world-at-that-time-Why https://www.quora.com/Do-you-believe-Soviet-Union-education-... https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2ycco6/how_did_the_quality_of_soviet_education_compare/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2ycco6/how_d... What you're talking about is Lysenkoism and it was mostly during Stalin rule. Later Soviet biologists actually criticized Lysenko and the whole anti-genetics stance. Similar movements also happened in Western science, like Social Darwinism for example.
    - Fins 8y ago
      Social Darwinism or anything like that has never been appointed as the one and only TRUE THING with scientific opponents sent off to labor camps. Also, soviet high elementary through high school education was... I'm not sure if "better" is the correct word, but it certainly taught more science than American schools do, if we compare average American school with a good school in Moscow, Leningrad, or similar large cities. College level education in USSR was nowhere near as good as American -- you can't have good education if teaching people to think for themselves is physically dangerous. [Source: I attended better than average schools and a decent college in Moscow]