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> The database included information like job title, profile picture, and general location of work. Ah, yes. The White Knight of Severely Violating People's Pri

by zaarn 8y ago

> The database included information like job title, profile picture, and general location of work. Ah, yes. The White Knight of Severely Violating People's Privacy because You're Right and They Aren't. Truly the most moral person in the world. In the current political situation in the US, afai can judge it, will enable harassers to seriously harm or even endanger the lives of these people for the crime of having the wrong employer (they might not even be involved in any of the bad crap you see on TV but who cares, wrong employer!) In other countries or, for example, the EU, such behavior would be a crime, end of story. And you'd be responsible for the damage that comes from doxing people. Saying "the information is already out there" is no excuse. It's like a swatter saying "it was just a prank".

eucitizen 8y ago
a) the eu is not a country b) it certainly is not illegal in germany, france ah, my other comment got flagged immediately. what a shame, @dang
- zaarn 8y ago
  Your other comment is simply just wrong. I doubt every single ICE employee is part of the most horrible acts they carry out. And still, this gives you or anyone no right to violate the privacy and endanger their rights. That just puts you on the same level as them, willingly destroying the lives of others because it brings you pleasure, because you believe it to be justice. Regarding a), I recommend to examine the syntax "Other countries or, for example, the EU", which specifically does not refer to the EU as a country due to the occurence of the word "or". Such behaviour is also certainly a crime in germany (§238 StGB and related Articles); if your actions cause someone to die or injury or the threat thereof, you can be prosecuted for it (though you need to actively sue either a specific person or against anonymous).
  - eucitizen 8y ago
    Paragraph 238 StGB absolutely does not hold here (I know from first hand). Also semantically you formed your phrase in such a way as though Europe as a whole had common legislation which is not the brightest thing to say. But what do I expect from a community where there’s at least one thread daily speaking favourably of breitbart.com? Lastly, ICE employees should think hard about the direction their upper ranks are going. They absolutely have a choice to not become 21st century Gestapo. It’s not too late.
    - zaarn 8y ago
      Even if 238 does not hold, of which I'm doubtful, you still indirectly exposed another human to potentially deadly harm. I will not condone such immoral and unethical actions. I simply do not care if you believe they are the next Gestapo. If you want to be better than Gestapo, don't expose them other people, who are potentially innocent, to harm. End of story. Mob rule always leads to bad outcomes and this is encouraging mob rule.
      - eucitizen 8y ago
        From first hand experience: Friend of mine made it public to several neighbours that a neonazi politician just moved in next door. He sued (also on the basis of Paragraph 238 StGB) and lost. Also, no none-publicly available information was posted. I will neither condone the acceptance of fascist tendencies, even in ‘rational discourse’ on HN. Check your heart my man.
eucitizen 8y ago
also: do you know how many SS and SA guys answered w a variation of “i was just following orders” / “i was just doing my job” after WW2? following immoral orders and executing them does not free you from consequences of your action.
mad_tortoise 8y ago
If you sign up to be in the police, or ICE, or any such governmental arm used to jail the poor and protect the rich, and are passively accepting these policies you are supporting them. As such by supporting these despicable policies those enforcing them are scum in my books, and if they are doing these things I see nothing wrong with publishing their information. Maybe now they will be as afraid as the people they persecute.
- exegete 8y ago
  What if you're an law enforcement agent and do your job ethically (refuse unethical orders, etc.)? Or what if you're pressured by your supervisor to do things that unethical and know that the consequence of not doing those things is getting your and your family's lives ruined? Should your private info be exposed so you can be harassed?
  - eucitizen 8y ago
    i’ll leave this here https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1979/10/21/they-were-just-following-orders/34d2eb42-daf6-49b9-af28-37a9582d0688/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7bed9bdaada2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1979/10/21/t...
- zaarn 8y ago
  That still gives you no right to expose them to such harm. I simply do not care what you believe, it's wrong.

by zaarn 8y ago

eucitizen 8y ago

a) the eu is not a country b) it certainly is not illegal in germany, france ah, my other comment got flagged immediately. what a shame, @dang

zaarn 8y ago
Your other comment is simply just wrong. I doubt every single ICE employee is part of the most horrible acts they carry out. And still, this gives you or anyone no right to violate the privacy and endanger their rights. That just puts you on the same level as them, willingly destroying the lives of others because it brings you pleasure, because you believe it to be justice. Regarding a), I recommend to examine the syntax "Other countries or, for example, the EU", which specifically does not refer to the EU as a country due to the occurence of the word "or". Such behaviour is also certainly a crime in germany (§238 StGB and related Articles); if your actions cause someone to die or injury or the threat thereof, you can be prosecuted for it (though you need to actively sue either a specific person or against anonymous).
- eucitizen 8y ago
  Paragraph 238 StGB absolutely does not hold here (I know from first hand). Also semantically you formed your phrase in such a way as though Europe as a whole had common legislation which is not the brightest thing to say. But what do I expect from a community where there’s at least one thread daily speaking favourably of breitbart.com? Lastly, ICE employees should think hard about the direction their upper ranks are going. They absolutely have a choice to not become 21st century Gestapo. It’s not too late.
  - zaarn 8y ago
    Even if 238 does not hold, of which I'm doubtful, you still indirectly exposed another human to potentially deadly harm. I will not condone such immoral and unethical actions. I simply do not care if you believe they are the next Gestapo. If you want to be better than Gestapo, don't expose them other people, who are potentially innocent, to harm. End of story. Mob rule always leads to bad outcomes and this is encouraging mob rule.
    - eucitizen 8y ago
      From first hand experience: Friend of mine made it public to several neighbours that a neonazi politician just moved in next door. He sued (also on the basis of Paragraph 238 StGB) and lost. Also, no none-publicly available information was posted. I will neither condone the acceptance of fascist tendencies, even in ‘rational discourse’ on HN. Check your heart my man.

eucitizen 8y ago

also: do you know how many SS and SA guys answered w a variation of “i was just following orders” / “i was just doing my job” after WW2? following immoral orders and executing them does not free you from consequences of your action.

mad_tortoise 8y ago

If you sign up to be in the police, or ICE, or any such governmental arm used to jail the poor and protect the rich, and are passively accepting these policies you are supporting them. As such by supporting these despicable policies those enforcing them are scum in my books, and if they are doing these things I see nothing wrong with publishing their information. Maybe now they will be as afraid as the people they persecute.

exegete 8y ago
What if you're an law enforcement agent and do your job ethically (refuse unethical orders, etc.)? Or what if you're pressured by your supervisor to do things that unethical and know that the consequence of not doing those things is getting your and your family's lives ruined? Should your private info be exposed so you can be harassed?
- eucitizen 8y ago
  i’ll leave this here https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1979/10/21/they-were-just-following-orders/34d2eb42-daf6-49b9-af28-37a9582d0688/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7bed9bdaada2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1979/10/21/t...
zaarn 8y ago
That still gives you no right to expose them to such harm. I simply do not care what you believe, it's wrong.