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Not without the senate changing a ruling that has been in effect since before Trump or Trump choosing not to enforce a law that he is required to enforce.

by firic 8y ago

zimpenfish 8y ago
I've seen a lot of people far more well-informed about US politics and law say that there is no such law - this is a pure policy decision by Trump. Can you cite the law he's required to enforce here?
- firic 8y ago
  Sure: https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/07/06/15-56434.pdf https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/07/06/1...
  - makomk 8y ago
    That does seem pretty unambiguous to me: if they're holding the parents for immigration offences, by law they have to separate their kids from them because they cannot imprison the kids too. I think the US media is outright making people less accurately informed on this. The most I've seen is a brief mention that "US protocol prohibits detaining children with their parents because the children are not charged with a crime, while the parents are", without explaining what this means and the fact that this is a legal settlement that the US administration cannot modify.
- makomk 8y ago
  To give you some idea of how badly you and everyone else has been had by the media: in the hours since you posted this comment, the New York Times found out that Trump was planning to stop separating families at the border and simultaneously decided that actually, this legal restriction - which the entire press had convinced everyone Trump just made up - exists after all and will probably stop him from doing so. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigra... Not only is everyone going along with the new narrative, they're confident that Trump supporters are the ones who are too blind to see that today's talking point contradicts the previous talking point.
wilsonnb2 8y ago
Trump is not required to enforce it. He could exercise the same discretion that Obama exercised, but he instead chose to implement a zero tolerance policy.

Not without the senate changing a ruling that has been in effect since before Trump or Trump choosing not to enforce a law that he is required to enforce.

by firic 8y ago

Not without the senate changing a ruling that has been in effect since before Trump or Trump choosing not to enforce a law that he is required to enforce.

zimpenfish 8y ago

I've seen a lot of people far more well-informed about US politics and law say that there is no such law - this is a pure policy decision by Trump. Can you cite the law he's required to enforce here?

firic 8y ago
Sure: https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/07/06/15-56434.pdf https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2016/07/06/1...
- makomk 8y ago
  That does seem pretty unambiguous to me: if they're holding the parents for immigration offences, by law they have to separate their kids from them because they cannot imprison the kids too. I think the US media is outright making people less accurately informed on this. The most I've seen is a brief mention that "US protocol prohibits detaining children with their parents because the children are not charged with a crime, while the parents are", without explaining what this means and the fact that this is a legal settlement that the US administration cannot modify.
makomk 8y ago
To give you some idea of how badly you and everyone else has been had by the media: in the hours since you posted this comment, the New York Times found out that Trump was planning to stop separating families at the border and simultaneously decided that actually, this legal restriction - which the entire press had convinced everyone Trump just made up - exists after all and will probably stop him from doing so. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigra... Not only is everyone going along with the new narrative, they're confident that Trump supporters are the ones who are too blind to see that today's talking point contradicts the previous talking point.

wilsonnb2 8y ago

Trump is not required to enforce it. He could exercise the same discretion that Obama exercised, but he instead chose to implement a zero tolerance policy.