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There was an article in a French newspaper that details the real story about education changing in Turkey. The education system has moved from being mostly secu

There was an article in a French newspaper that details the real story about education changing in Turkey. The education system has moved from being mostly secular to being extremely orthodox islamic. Newly brought in last year: jihad (and no, not "the peaceful kind"), and removal of evolution. New this year, the how righteous of the punishment of stoning is. The illustration from that article was that several girls one day came home crying, panicked and scared from school. What had happened ? They had been shown a video of the stoning of a woman, and had to endure their teacher defending this as just for 30 minutes. Apparently this is now the new normal in Turkey. Here's some related articles: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/20/devout-generation-education-turkey-changing https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/20/devout-generat... https://www.politico.eu/article/erdogan-turkey-education-news-coup-analysis-curriculum-history-istanbul/ https://www.politico.eu/article/erdogan-turkey-education-new...

_r26q 8y ago
I’m sorry but this is not true. The depiction of Turkey by the french media is just false. This is NOT something normal. In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education. And Islam is not part of the education at school in Turkey. School in Turkey is about actually learning and carring about each other. (I am a Turkish-French. I live in both coutries.)
- bariscimen 8y ago
  "In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education." lol. stop lying
  - buraksarica 8y ago
    Do you have opportunity to compare? I mean he/she at least is bi-national. Why do you call someone liar on his/her own ideas?
    - bariscimen 8y ago
      Yes I've. And you don't have to be a 'bi-national'. - 'And Islam is not part of the education at school in Turkey.' statement is not true also. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/turkey-erdogan-education/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/turkey-e... https://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-society/islam-ottoman-erdogan-new-core-of-turkey39s-education-system https://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-society/islam-ottoman-er... https://www.politico.eu/article/erdogan-turkey-education-news-coup-analysis-curriculum-history-istanbul/ https://www.politico.eu/article/erdogan-turkey-education-new... -'Why do you call someone liar on his/her own ideas?' We all know in Turkey, government and their 'AK Trolls'(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK_Trolls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK_Trolls) are just manipulating people with disinformation. And this guy/girl is just one of them, not more or less.
  - dang 8y ago
    Attacking someone else like this is against HN's rules and will get your account banned, so could you please not do it here? Instead, please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civilly or not at all.
    - bariscimen 8y ago
      Sorry, I did not know the rule about 'lying'. I just added some arguments on this thread.
- mrighele 8y ago
  What is not normal about the parent said ? That jihad is now part of the curriculum and evolution is not ? Not a lie, if you don't like french media you can check turkish sources [1]. Turkish academics agree that it is not a lie [2]. According to my turkish friends in the past the quality of education was quite good but has been steadily going down [5] thanks to the ruling party promoting religious schools for many years [3]. Islam _is_ part of education at school in Turkey [4]. [1] http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-education-ministry-reveals-new-curriculum-evolution-out-jihad-in-115673 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-education-ministry-... [2] http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-academics-tell-ministry-that-evolution-theory-excluded-from-curriculum-only-in-saudi-arabia-110307 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-academics-tell-mini... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/europe/turkeys-religious-schools-rise-as-erdogan-exerts-sway.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/europe/turkeys-reli... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/turkeys-atheists-and-religious-minorities-join-forces-to-protest-religious-instruction-in-schools/2015/02/18/6c8d7e58-b791-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/turkeys-ath... [5] http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-education-problems-revealed-in-oecd-wide-education-test-pisa-106997 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-education-problems-...
zabana 8y ago
You lost all credibility when you brought up french media as a reliable source of infomation.
baystep 8y ago
As an American living in Turkey to produce software systems for the Education industry. It is in my honest opinion this is mostly all false. Evolution was not removed (if I'm correct it was shifted in which years it was taught, pushing it later in the primary education years). Jihadism is not on the agenda at all. But some south-eastern/eastern provinces do place Islam studies on the bill (in historical manners). It's much like how the US has a "Bible belt" in the south where creationism is taught along evolution. Turkey has a "Quran belt" in it's south-eastern border that also places more emphasis in religious teachings along side it's sciences. In the western portions this is essentially non-existent besides the historical context (Ottoman was Islamic after all)
gkya 8y ago
> Apparently this is now the new normal in Turkey. Let's word it better: it's the normal a tirannical government is imposing and its unqualified conformist officers are implementing.

_r26q 8y ago

I’m sorry but this is not true. The depiction of Turkey by the french media is just false. This is NOT something normal. In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education. And Islam is not part of the education at school in Turkey. School in Turkey is about actually learning and carring about each other. (I am a Turkish-French. I live in both coutries.)

bariscimen 8y ago
"In fact, for me, the Turkish education system works better than the French education." lol. stop lying
- buraksarica 8y ago
  Do you have opportunity to compare? I mean he/she at least is bi-national. Why do you call someone liar on his/her own ideas?
  - bariscimen 8y ago
    Yes I've. And you don't have to be a 'bi-national'. - 'And Islam is not part of the education at school in Turkey.' statement is not true also. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/turkey-erdogan-education/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/turkey-e... https://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-society/islam-ottoman-erdogan-new-core-of-turkey39s-education-system https://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-society/islam-ottoman-er... https://www.politico.eu/article/erdogan-turkey-education-news-coup-analysis-curriculum-history-istanbul/ https://www.politico.eu/article/erdogan-turkey-education-new... -'Why do you call someone liar on his/her own ideas?' We all know in Turkey, government and their 'AK Trolls'(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK_Trolls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK_Trolls) are just manipulating people with disinformation. And this guy/girl is just one of them, not more or less.
- dang 8y ago
  Attacking someone else like this is against HN's rules and will get your account banned, so could you please not do it here? Instead, please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civilly or not at all.
  - bariscimen 8y ago
    Sorry, I did not know the rule about 'lying'. I just added some arguments on this thread.
mrighele 8y ago
What is not normal about the parent said ? That jihad is now part of the curriculum and evolution is not ? Not a lie, if you don't like french media you can check turkish sources [1]. Turkish academics agree that it is not a lie [2]. According to my turkish friends in the past the quality of education was quite good but has been steadily going down [5] thanks to the ruling party promoting religious schools for many years [3]. Islam _is_ part of education at school in Turkey [4]. [1] http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-education-ministry-reveals-new-curriculum-evolution-out-jihad-in-115673 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-education-ministry-... [2] http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-academics-tell-ministry-that-evolution-theory-excluded-from-curriculum-only-in-saudi-arabia-110307 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-academics-tell-mini... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/europe/turkeys-religious-schools-rise-as-erdogan-exerts-sway.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/europe/turkeys-reli... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/turkeys-atheists-and-religious-minorities-join-forces-to-protest-religious-instruction-in-schools/2015/02/18/6c8d7e58-b791-11e4-bc30-a4e75503948a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/turkeys-ath... [5] http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-education-problems-revealed-in-oecd-wide-education-test-pisa-106997 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-education-problems-...

zabana 8y ago

You lost all credibility when you brought up french media as a reliable source of infomation.

baystep 8y ago

As an American living in Turkey to produce software systems for the Education industry. It is in my honest opinion this is mostly all false. Evolution was not removed (if I'm correct it was shifted in which years it was taught, pushing it later in the primary education years). Jihadism is not on the agenda at all. But some south-eastern/eastern provinces do place Islam studies on the bill (in historical manners). It's much like how the US has a "Bible belt" in the south where creationism is taught along evolution. Turkey has a "Quran belt" in it's south-eastern border that also places more emphasis in religious teachings along side it's sciences. In the western portions this is essentially non-existent besides the historical context (Ottoman was Islamic after all)

gkya 8y ago

> Apparently this is now the new normal in Turkey. Let's word it better: it's the normal a tirannical government is imposing and its unqualified conformist officers are implementing.