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What is terrifying about this? Why should Google pay for hosting and distributing your video online forever without making any money? How's that "evil"?

bordercases 8y ago
Monopoly of convenience and loyalty capture There's no good reason why, but that's why we try to regulate monopolies
- notroot 8y ago
  There are a lot of good reasons why monopolies should be regulated.
  - bordercases 8y ago
    I meant why Google should pay for hosting free stuff
Krasnol 8y ago
You are absolutely right! Google has been suffering under all this user generated content dragging even more visitors to their already struggling hosting infrastructure for too long! It's time for relief! Let's move the burden of user generated content away and let others suffer! Free Google!
notroot 8y ago
'codelord:working on ml @google' haha. using accrued inertia/loyalty to bully/force `mit ocw` and `blender` to adopt more convenient terms for the company is, at minimum, a dick move. but i get it, you got some stock and you gotta protect that bottom line.
bad_user 8y ago
Because they allowed it until now and it's been years since. Changing their policies now hurts non-profit organizations like the Blender Foundation and is in effect a bait and switch. Google is using at this point its monopoly to coerce their partners and users into accepting whatever the heck they want. Personally I don't understand them. This is clearly about a very popular channel that is bringing them eyeballs. I also have no sympathy for their need to monetize — several years back we had a protest in my country against a gold mining company and the YouTube videos made by protesters where preceded by ads of the mining company, ads which were lying and that couldn't be reported for that. Ads on YouTube are dangerous as they aren't just about products or services, but about social and political issues too and whomever has the bucks to pay wins more attention. As an author, having the ability to disable ads for certain videos is common sense. --- Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time.
- Endy 8y ago
  >Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time. Pay them for no ads? Nope, that's why I have Disconnect, Ghostery, uBlock Origin, and some userscripts enabled along with a fairly extensive HOSTS file.
  - bad_user 8y ago
    Well, people like you are the reason for why we can't have nice things.
    - Martus 8y ago
      You make it look like they are starving to death there when in fact it's about generating MORE revenue every year despite the costs because this is what Wallstreet expects you to do.
      - bad_user 8y ago
        That they aren’t “starving” or the amount of revenue they generate is irrelevant. What wallstreet expects or not is also irrelevant. If users refuse to pay for subscriptions and keep blocking ads for reasons that have nothing to do with privacy or security, pretty soon as-blockers will become illegal. It happened before with DRM, it can always happen again. At which point people will cry out in support of privacy or security, but it will be too late, because the truth is the vast majority don’t care about privacy or security. So yeah, keep sticking it to the man.
        Martus 8y ago
        No it's not irrevant what Wallstreet expects. Please don't be ignorant. This is not some church or club we're talking about. > If users refuse to pay for subscriptions and keep blocking ads for reasons that have nothing to do with privacy or security, pretty soon as-blockers will become illegal. We Ad-Blocking software users laughed about that already in the 90s. Think about it. Same goes for DRM. A giant waste of money. The net grew from then on and it still is while computing power, web design, etc. got cheaper. So how do you explain it to yourself? Just think about it for a moment. There is no other justification then the need to generate MORE revenue. This is why you get less for more. The more google rapes here those who make the content for them, the essence of their existence, the more they threaten this part of their business because with every step away from centralized businesses like YouTube, they'll lose revenue or good. It won't come back. Nobody is coming back to Myspace or Facebook. In the end they just need to not be popular anymore and that doesn't take much or long those days.
akerro 8y ago
Hmmm... If they only didn't track us on every mouse move, every click, every video and every recommendation. That's an exchange, I'm a product for using their product.
arendtio 8y ago
The evil part is that they are unclear about their conditions for the hosting. If all that would be part of their official 'Terms and Conditions' nobody would complain.
codelord 8y ago
If I didn't know any better I'd think everyone who's commenting on hackernews is running a charity and building products and giving it to the users for free at a loss.
- Martus 8y ago
  If I didn't know any better I'd think your didn't even read the comments and your sucking up to your employer and greed have clouded your perception of reality. You should have known that people won't buy your "poor google is dying under the load of Blender videos" approach. Now that you're faced with the facts you try to dramatize the situation even more. I guess the recruiting standards at google went down rapidly or are you the outcome of this recently abolished recruiting strategy?
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bordercases 8y ago

Monopoly of convenience and loyalty capture There's no good reason why, but that's why we try to regulate monopolies

notroot 8y ago
There are a lot of good reasons why monopolies should be regulated.
- bordercases 8y ago
  I meant why Google should pay for hosting free stuff

Krasnol 8y ago

You are absolutely right! Google has been suffering under all this user generated content dragging even more visitors to their already struggling hosting infrastructure for too long! It's time for relief! Let's move the burden of user generated content away and let others suffer! Free Google!

notroot 8y ago

'codelord:working on ml @google' haha. using accrued inertia/loyalty to bully/force `mit ocw` and `blender` to adopt more convenient terms for the company is, at minimum, a dick move. but i get it, you got some stock and you gotta protect that bottom line.

bad_user 8y ago

Because they allowed it until now and it's been years since. Changing their policies now hurts non-profit organizations like the Blender Foundation and is in effect a bait and switch. Google is using at this point its monopoly to coerce their partners and users into accepting whatever the heck they want. Personally I don't understand them. This is clearly about a very popular channel that is bringing them eyeballs. I also have no sympathy for their need to monetize — several years back we had a protest in my country against a gold mining company and the YouTube videos made by protesters where preceded by ads of the mining company, ads which were lying and that couldn't be reported for that. Ads on YouTube are dangerous as they aren't just about products or services, but about social and political issues too and whomever has the bucks to pay wins more attention. As an author, having the ability to disable ads for certain videos is common sense. --- Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time.

Endy 8y ago
>Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time. Pay them for no ads? Nope, that's why I have Disconnect, Ghostery, uBlock Origin, and some userscripts enabled along with a fairly extensive HOSTS file.
- bad_user 8y ago
  Well, people like you are the reason for why we can't have nice things.
  - Martus 8y ago
    You make it look like they are starving to death there when in fact it's about generating MORE revenue every year despite the costs because this is what Wallstreet expects you to do.
    - bad_user 8y ago
      That they aren’t “starving” or the amount of revenue they generate is irrelevant. What wallstreet expects or not is also irrelevant. If users refuse to pay for subscriptions and keep blocking ads for reasons that have nothing to do with privacy or security, pretty soon as-blockers will become illegal. It happened before with DRM, it can always happen again. At which point people will cry out in support of privacy or security, but it will be too late, because the truth is the vast majority don’t care about privacy or security. So yeah, keep sticking it to the man.
      - Martus 8y ago
        No it's not irrevant what Wallstreet expects. Please don't be ignorant. This is not some church or club we're talking about. > If users refuse to pay for subscriptions and keep blocking ads for reasons that have nothing to do with privacy or security, pretty soon as-blockers will become illegal. We Ad-Blocking software users laughed about that already in the 90s. Think about it. Same goes for DRM. A giant waste of money. The net grew from then on and it still is while computing power, web design, etc. got cheaper. So how do you explain it to yourself? Just think about it for a moment. There is no other justification then the need to generate MORE revenue. This is why you get less for more. The more google rapes here those who make the content for them, the essence of their existence, the more they threaten this part of their business because with every step away from centralized businesses like YouTube, they'll lose revenue or good. It won't come back. Nobody is coming back to Myspace or Facebook. In the end they just need to not be popular anymore and that doesn't take much or long those days.

akerro 8y ago

Hmmm... If they only didn't track us on every mouse move, every click, every video and every recommendation. That's an exchange, I'm a product for using their product.

arendtio 8y ago

The evil part is that they are unclear about their conditions for the hosting. If all that would be part of their official 'Terms and Conditions' nobody would complain.

codelord 8y ago

If I didn't know any better I'd think everyone who's commenting on hackernews is running a charity and building products and giving it to the users for free at a loss.

Martus 8y ago
If I didn't know any better I'd think your didn't even read the comments and your sucking up to your employer and greed have clouded your perception of reality. You should have known that people won't buy your "poor google is dying under the load of Blender videos" approach. Now that you're faced with the facts you try to dramatize the situation even more. I guess the recruiting standards at google went down rapidly or are you the outcome of this recently abolished recruiting strategy?
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