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> I think you’re vastly overestimating how much people want to move here. I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants. > legal immigration woul

> I think you’re vastly overestimating how much people want to move here. I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants. > legal immigration would not lower wages I agree. We're talking about illegal immigration though. If everybody followed the legal process, great!

pluma 8y ago
> I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants. Is it? Most numbers seem to compare individual countries, which disproportionally overrepresents the US due to its sheer size. However by comparison, in 2016 [0][1]: * 1.49 million immigrants moved to the US * 2 million immigrants moved to the EU * 753,060 immigrants were naturalized in the US * 1 million immigrants were granted citizenship in the EU So I guess that's another category in which the US has been superseded by the EU (like e.g. GDP, exports and tourism). [0]: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested... [1]: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... EDIT: If you think this is an unfair comparison, remember that EU citizenship grants you the right to live and work in any EU country. Citizenship in any one member country is effectively for most intents and purposes citizenship in all of the EU. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Un...
emodendroket 8y ago
In other words, driving immigrants underground rather than giving them status (which is practically impossible for most people to get except through marriage) makes it possible for employers to underpay them and abuse them and assume they won't complain.

pluma 8y ago

> I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants. Is it? Most numbers seem to compare individual countries, which disproportionally overrepresents the US due to its sheer size. However by comparison, in 2016 [0][1]: * 1.49 million immigrants moved to the US * 2 million immigrants moved to the EU * 753,060 immigrants were naturalized in the US * 1 million immigrants were granted citizenship in the EU So I guess that's another category in which the US has been superseded by the EU (like e.g. GDP, exports and tourism). [0]: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested... [1]: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... EDIT: If you think this is an unfair comparison, remember that EU citizenship grants you the right to live and work in any EU country. Citizenship in any one member country is effectively for most intents and purposes citizenship in all of the EU. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Un...

emodendroket 8y ago

In other words, driving immigrants underground rather than giving them status (which is practically impossible for most people to get except through marriage) makes it possible for employers to underpay them and abuse them and assume they won't complain.