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The asylum backlog is 600,000 cases. They are not aslyum seekers, they are trying to take advantage of the backlog since under the earlier process they could ju

The asylum backlog is 600,000 cases. They are not aslyum seekers, they are trying to take advantage of the backlog since under the earlier process they could just wait for their court date and disappear into the country before that. Asylum requests have gone up over 1000% because this exploit has been figured out and it is now the default method of gaining entry. 83% of the kids aren't even with their parents, they are posing as families. Only 2000 kids out of 12000 are actually with their parents. Kids can be held for upto 20 days maximum during which time they arrange for someone for them to stay with - mostly a family member. The Mexico visa is a lot cheaper than the whole process to get a US green card. I would not be surprised if this becomes the preferred method for many seeking a life there.

drb91 8y ago
What’s the worst that can happen if we let them in? Our economy improves and our crime rate drops?
- factsaresacred 8y ago
  1. There's another billion waiting to enter. 2. There is legal process of entry, they should follow it. 3. Illegal immigration drives down wages, crowding out the most vulnerable citizens of the US. 4. A country decides how and when people are allowed in. There are numerous downsides to mass immigration including stress on services like health, social services and accommodation. Again, to the detriment of citizens.
  - chris_wot 8y ago
    What evidence do you have that wages have been driven down illegal immigration?
    - factsaresacred 8y ago
      Availability of cheap labor reduces wages within any industry - this is almost an axiom. But just read an economics book or a study like this one: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/ http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings... > in the unskilled and semi-skilled service sector, a 1% rise in the share of migrants reduced average wages in that occupation by nearly 0.5% It may seems small but those numbers are variables and for people on the lowest rung of the ladder, every percent counts.
  - drb91 8y ago
    > There's another billion waiting to enter. I think you’re vastly overestimating how much people want to move here. Furthermore, legal immigration would not lower wages. It’s the fact that we don’t provide a legalization process that allows people to charge under minimum wage.
    - factsaresacred 8y ago
      > I think you’re vastly overestimating how much people want to move here. I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants. > legal immigration would not lower wages I agree. We're talking about illegal immigration though. If everybody followed the legal process, great!
      - pluma 8y ago
        > I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants. Is it? Most numbers seem to compare individual countries, which disproportionally overrepresents the US due to its sheer size. However by comparison, in 2016 [0][1]: * 1.49 million immigrants moved to the US * 2 million immigrants moved to the EU * 753,060 immigrants were naturalized in the US * 1 million immigrants were granted citizenship in the EU So I guess that's another category in which the US has been superseded by the EU (like e.g. GDP, exports and tourism). [0]: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested... [1]: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... EDIT: If you think this is an unfair comparison, remember that EU citizenship grants you the right to live and work in any EU country. Citizenship in any one member country is effectively for most intents and purposes citizenship in all of the EU. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Un...
      - emodendroket 8y ago
        In other words, driving immigrants underground rather than giving them status (which is practically impossible for most people to get except through marriage) makes it possible for employers to underpay them and abuse them and assume they won't complain.
  - pluma 8y ago
    1. Stop believing in your own propaganda. There are nicer places to immigrate to than the US. 2. The only way to be granted asylum is if you're already in the US. The only way to enter the US legally is using an intentionally overloaded system that may require you to wait for months only to be denied entry -- which is not exactly an option if you're genuinely in need of asylum. 3. Corporations drive down wages. Corporations are exploiting illegal immigrants. Maybe the problem is your government isn't cracking down on illegal employment enough? 4a. I see you don't agree with the concept of asylum. That's okay, but it still makes you a terrible human being. Just saying. 4b. Show me a study that proves that immigration is a long-term net negative. There are cherry-picked samples showing short-term negatives, yes, but they're intentionally misleading.
noobermin 8y ago
I think you are over estimating the consciousness of people seeking asylum, I don't know how they could be aware of the backlog of cases.
- puhleeze 8y ago
  You are very naive and uninformed. Do some research before just claiming someone who has real metrics is over estimating. There have been objective studies about the abuse of the asylum process and the prevalence of asylum fraud. Do some research and then opine. By the way, entering the US illegally is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE and when parents with children in tow are arrested the children don’t get a bunk bed in their parents’ cell. The parents know the risk and take it so they are the ones who are creating the problem. The laws are being enforced as they are at borders in every country except ours until recently. There are legal ways to come to this country as refugees use those procedures instead of paying the cartels and criminal elements to smuggle you here. If only people cared about the veterans who are sacrificing their lives to fight for our country a fraction of how much they care about illegal aliens. The priorities of far too many have become disgraceful. Protest for veterans and their families to get better benefits. Support groups that support the veterans who protect your right to free speech instead of protesting first to protect illegal aliens who have no right to be hear. Fleeing gangs in Central America is not asylum—people from the US should seek asylum in other countries if that’s the case because the inner cities are filled with victims of gang violence. Political refugees haven’t come from Central America since the 80s. Sorry people can’t pick a real cause to support.

drb91 8y ago

What’s the worst that can happen if we let them in? Our economy improves and our crime rate drops?

factsaresacred 8y ago
1. There's another billion waiting to enter. 2. There is legal process of entry, they should follow it. 3. Illegal immigration drives down wages, crowding out the most vulnerable citizens of the US. 4. A country decides how and when people are allowed in. There are numerous downsides to mass immigration including stress on services like health, social services and accommodation. Again, to the detriment of citizens.
- chris_wot 8y ago
  What evidence do you have that wages have been driven down illegal immigration?
  - factsaresacred 8y ago
    Availability of cheap labor reduces wages within any industry - this is almost an axiom. But just read an economics book or a study like this one: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/ http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings... > in the unskilled and semi-skilled service sector, a 1% rise in the share of migrants reduced average wages in that occupation by nearly 0.5% It may seems small but those numbers are variables and for people on the lowest rung of the ladder, every percent counts.
- drb91 8y ago
  > There's another billion waiting to enter. I think you’re vastly overestimating how much people want to move here. Furthermore, legal immigration would not lower wages. It’s the fact that we don’t provide a legalization process that allows people to charge under minimum wage.
  - factsaresacred 8y ago
    > I think you’re vastly overestimating how much people want to move here. I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants. > legal immigration would not lower wages I agree. We're talking about illegal immigration though. If everybody followed the legal process, great!
    - pluma 8y ago
      > I am not. The US is still the top destination for migrants. Is it? Most numbers seem to compare individual countries, which disproportionally overrepresents the US due to its sheer size. However by comparison, in 2016 [0][1]: * 1.49 million immigrants moved to the US * 2 million immigrants moved to the EU * 753,060 immigrants were naturalized in the US * 1 million immigrants were granted citizenship in the EU So I guess that's another category in which the US has been superseded by the EU (like e.g. GDP, exports and tourism). [0]: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested... [1]: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migration_and_migrant_population_statistics http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/... EDIT: If you think this is an unfair comparison, remember that EU citizenship grants you the right to live and work in any EU country. Citizenship in any one member country is effectively for most intents and purposes citizenship in all of the EU. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Un...
    - emodendroket 8y ago
      In other words, driving immigrants underground rather than giving them status (which is practically impossible for most people to get except through marriage) makes it possible for employers to underpay them and abuse them and assume they won't complain.
- pluma 8y ago
  1. Stop believing in your own propaganda. There are nicer places to immigrate to than the US. 2. The only way to be granted asylum is if you're already in the US. The only way to enter the US legally is using an intentionally overloaded system that may require you to wait for months only to be denied entry -- which is not exactly an option if you're genuinely in need of asylum. 3. Corporations drive down wages. Corporations are exploiting illegal immigrants. Maybe the problem is your government isn't cracking down on illegal employment enough? 4a. I see you don't agree with the concept of asylum. That's okay, but it still makes you a terrible human being. Just saying. 4b. Show me a study that proves that immigration is a long-term net negative. There are cherry-picked samples showing short-term negatives, yes, but they're intentionally misleading.

noobermin 8y ago

I think you are over estimating the consciousness of people seeking asylum, I don't know how they could be aware of the backlog of cases.

puhleeze 8y ago
You are very naive and uninformed. Do some research before just claiming someone who has real metrics is over estimating. There have been objective studies about the abuse of the asylum process and the prevalence of asylum fraud. Do some research and then opine. By the way, entering the US illegally is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE and when parents with children in tow are arrested the children don’t get a bunk bed in their parents’ cell. The parents know the risk and take it so they are the ones who are creating the problem. The laws are being enforced as they are at borders in every country except ours until recently. There are legal ways to come to this country as refugees use those procedures instead of paying the cartels and criminal elements to smuggle you here. If only people cared about the veterans who are sacrificing their lives to fight for our country a fraction of how much they care about illegal aliens. The priorities of far too many have become disgraceful. Protest for veterans and their families to get better benefits. Support groups that support the veterans who protect your right to free speech instead of protesting first to protect illegal aliens who have no right to be hear. Fleeing gangs in Central America is not asylum—people from the US should seek asylum in other countries if that’s the case because the inner cities are filled with victims of gang violence. Political refugees haven’t come from Central America since the 80s. Sorry people can’t pick a real cause to support.